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Westminstenders: The Mask is Slipping

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RedToothBrush · 17/02/2020 05:30

This week has seen the department of the Chancellor who launched a 50p piece, the serious contemplation of a tin pot bridge, the rebirth of eugenics as a subject for cabinet, the announcement of the end of the BBC as we know it, the cabinet chanting after the PM in a way Orwell would be proud of, suppression of a report into trade deals which dares to mention the effect of distance and geography, worrying signs of an ever growing rift with Europe over negotiations for a deal, an appointment which starts to make our membership of the ECHR look very dodgy and there have been rather a lot of floods which so far seemed to have escaped the attention of those in London busy in their own swamp.

It's becoming apparent very quickly just how Trump like our new government are and how they want the UK to emulate the very worst aspects of America.

We are falling fast and its not looking like it will be pretty.

All we need is a major global issue to test our national resilience and the incompetence will truly be laid bare for us all to see... But not necessarily speak of. Such us the way it works.

Brexit Britain is not a nice looking prospect.

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DGRossetti · 20/02/2020 18:42

Just out of curiosity, hows the NRA plans for Texas-on-Thames shaping up ? Presumably Priti has some draft new gun laws for us ?

Songsofexperience · 20/02/2020 18:44

Dear God no! Please no guns!
Where has anything like that been mentioned??

DGRossetti · 20/02/2020 18:50

Dear God no! Please no guns!Where has anything like that been mentioned??

By me, now ? Grin

It was implied as part of a "fantastic trade deal" that nothing is off limits. Besides, the NRA and NHS would be a perfect fit.

DGRossetti · 20/02/2020 18:54

More on Googles move

www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/20/google_is_shifting_its_uk_data_hoard_from_ireland_to_us/

Interesting to note that while the EU and US have an agreement about data in place, the UK and US don't. And maybe never will.

There will be a few insurance companies having a loose bowel movement. Unless the government moves to exempt them from liability of lost data. This is one thing I know from many long and tedious discussions about information security and putting stuff into non UK servers.

FrankieStein402 · 20/02/2020 19:36

Interesting to note that while the EU and US have an agreement about data in place, the UK and US don't. And maybe never will.

The eu/us privacy shield deal is likely to end up back in the ECJ anyway isn't it?

In any case brexit surely means that we are not covered (as of 1/2/20) by that finagle - meaning that under the current DPA uk controllers cannot export personal data to the US or anywhere where we haven't agreed 'equivalence'.
Whilst agreeing equivalence with EU ought to be trivial, as long as we agree not to change the DPA - as you say we have nothing in place with the US.

Plus trump put some sort of order in place constraining US privacy laws to US citizens - so any chance of an equivalence deal with the US is zero and any fiddle would probably scupper any EU deal! Bittersweet to see the brexiteers have already broken the future of our digital economy.

GoldenMarigolds · 20/02/2020 19:43

The immigration points system sounds like it can be manipulated. But what do I know?

Looking on from afar I am amazed at the low salaries offered to many professionals, i.e qualified RNs and so on. Is there no weighting system for those who must live and work in say London anymore? Doubt that 25k would be doable in London myself.

The true result of this will not be felt tomorrow either, and that is what Government, sorry Dominic Greive and Priti Patel are relying on now.

Good news! Immigration will be curtailed.

They could have had a system in place years ago for EU migrants too, but chose not to.

But now..... it is all opium for the people. Sigh.

GoldenMarigolds · 20/02/2020 19:45

Sorry meant Dominic Cummings up thread.

We need an edit function stat.

Peregrina · 20/02/2020 20:10

Where has our cut and paste friend gone these days, and our mansplaining friend who lived abroad? Although I don't think he posted on Westminstenders.

Mind you, it is half term, which means that people might be away.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/02/2020 20:20

"Vichy Parliament" referred to the HoC before the GE, which blocked No Deal

Brexiters regarded the Remainer MPs, especially the ex-Tories, as collaborating with the foreign enemy, i.e. the EU

I thought the GE had killed off that phrase, but it seems to have been resurrected as justification for ignoring bits of the WA some Brexiters don't like,
especially if the EU insists on the LPG for dropping NTBs (Non-tariff barriers)

Reminder from last year:

conservativewoman.co.uk/treat-our-vichy-parliament-with-the-contempt-it-deserves/

BigChocFrenzy · 20/02/2020 20:25

Well duh, the consequences should be bleeding obvious, which means it'll probably be a shock to this govt

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/20/uk-visa-fees-deter-nhs-staff-scientists

Nurses, lab technicians, engineers and tech experts who currently flock to the UK from the EU may not be able to afford to do so if the prime minister’s proposed immigration overhaul becomes law.

At £1,220 per person, or £900 for those on the shortage occupation list, the fees are among the highest in the world – and this is before charges for using the NHS and costs for sponsoring employers are taken into account.

GoldenMarigolds · 20/02/2020 20:40

Mad Ted.

But it's what Brexiteers wanted. Onwards and upwards.

Still cannot see how foreign health workers or carers could A. get a visa and B, if they manage it, how they could afford to live in high cost living areas. Not to mind the costs of getting a visa either.

Be interesting to see what happens.

ListeningQuietly · 20/02/2020 20:43

Why would people want to pay shed loads to come to a country that is so clearly xenophobic ?

BigChocFrenzy · 20/02/2020 21:27

Aargh NOOOO !

Hopefully the new leader will thank Corbyn for his service .... and wish him a happy retirement

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/20/jeremy-corbyn-keeps-door-open-to-shadow-cabinet-role

Jeremy Corbyn has held open the possibility he could stay on as a Labour frontbencher after stepping down as party leader,
declining to rule out the idea of serving in the next shadow cabinet.

Peregrina · 20/02/2020 21:30

They continue to talk what can only be described as hogwash:

^A [Home Office] spokesman said: “In fairness to UK taxpayers, it is only right that those who directly benefit from our immigration system contribute to its funding.”

So the Spanish, Germans etc. who might have come won't be paying tax when they get here? Not only direct taxes via their wage packets, but VAT etc. I do wonder if these clowns spokespeople realise what they are saying?

Mind you, I want it all to go tits up for Johnson and his cronies.

HesterThrale · 20/02/2020 22:16

This short read was in the New European last summer. I thought it very interesting because it clearly outlined the economic benefit of immigration, and suggested a positive way to use the dividend to directly, overtly benefit communities which felt left behind and who blamed immigrants.

Westminstenders: The Mask is Slipping
Peregrina · 20/02/2020 22:36

This it from today's New European weekly newletter:

Low-skilled migration is to end under sweeping post-Brexit reform of the system, in a move announced by the government and criticised by business leaders. In future, unqualified workers, short of relevant experience, skills and accomplishments, will be limited to Boris Johnson's Cabinet.

I wish I could laugh at it, but how much untold damage are they going to do?

bluehighlighter · 20/02/2020 23:30

All that crap about kind, sweet Corbyn. He's always been power mad.

Microdot · 20/02/2020 23:36

Power mad. Just as well we've got that funny likeable Boris Johnson and his decent compassionate Hench-Spad Cummings instead!

bluehighlighter · 20/02/2020 23:42

It's possible for more than one politician at a time to be power mad, unfortunately.

bluehighlighter · 20/02/2020 23:45

In the 2019 league table on best places to live as an expat (Internation?), the UK came 58th out of the 64 countries surveyed.

bluehighlighter · 21/02/2020 00:06

Jan 24, 2014 · Nigel Farage has called for firearm laws to be relaxed, calling the current ban on handguns "ludicrous".

mathanxiety · 21/02/2020 04:38

www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2020/0218/1115982-david-frost-speech/

Commentary on the Frost speech.

mathanxiety · 21/02/2020 05:19

Recent speech by Tony Blair.
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Don’t allow Labour become trans ‘pressure group’, pleads Tony Blair

Labour will lose the “culture war” with the right if it makes transgender rights “our big thing”, Tony Blair has said.

The former prime minister said that Labour needed “complete renewal” if it is to stand any chance of winning power again and warned that the party must not become an “NGO or a pressure group”.

Transgender rights have become central in the Labour leadership contest. Rebecca Long-Bailey and Lisa Nandy signed a pledge card calling for the party to expel “transphobic” members. However, Sir Keir Starmer, the frontrunner, has refused to sign it.

The 12-point pledge card produced by the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights describes some organisations, including Women’s Place UK — a group that campaigns for “safe spaces” for women — as “trans-exclusionist hate groups”.

In a speech at Kings College London, Mr Blair said: “You have got to distinguish between the advocacy of things that are right — gay rights, transgender rights, whatever it is — and launching yourself politically into a culture war with the right.

“If you go, ‘Transgender rights is our big thing,’ and the right goes, ‘Immigration controls is our big thing,’ you’re going to lose that. You’re not going to be advancing any of the things you want to do.”

Asked if he would sign the pledge card, Mr Blair said: “No, I wouldn’t. There are all sorts of difficult things that have to be resolved. There’s a proper consultation going on, we should do it in that way.

“If you’re going out there and trying to advocate things in a finger-jabbing, sectarian way — ‘If you don’t sign up to what I’m saying, I’m going to come and disrupt your meetings and shout at you’ — you’re not going to win that battle. You’re just going to put a whole load of people off.”

Mr Blair earlier said: “The Labour Party is not an NGO and not a pressure group. Its aim is not to trend on Twitter or have celebrities fawn over it or glory in a bubble of adulation.

“Our task is to win power, to get our hands stuck into the muddy mangle of governing, where out of it can be pulled the prize of progress. Our mission is to take pauses and make them practical, to say ‘yes’ to ambition and ‘no’ to over ambition. To go to where the people are and show them together we can do better.”

Mr Blair said that the public had “shut the door in our face” during the election. “Our latest defeat was entirely predictable and predicted. We went into the election with a leader with a 40 per cent approval rating on political ground chosen by our opponents and a manifesto promising the Earth, but from a planet other than Earth.

“We have exhibited an extraordinary attachment to retreating into a narrow part of the left which has always ended in defeat. When defeated we say we will listen to the people before deciding what they are saying is too uncomfortable and lapse into our comfort zone only to edge with agonised slowness back to where we should have been in the first place,” he said.

Songsofexperience · 21/02/2020 07:37

Bittersweet to see the brexiteers have already broken the future of our digital economy.

As someone whose job will be affected, it's just bitter...

RedToothBrush · 21/02/2020 08:45

Blair gets the culture war.

Times front page today

Steven Swinford@steven_swinford
Exclusive:

Windrush review concluded Home Office was 'institutionally racist' over hostile environment policy towards migrants but has been watered down

There are concerns in Whitehall that members of advisory panel will go public and criticise Govt

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/home-office-is-institutionally-racist-said-report-into-windrush-scandal-76w9mrw2w
Home Office is ‘institutionally racist’, said report into Windrush scandal
Incendiary claim dropped as review watered down

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