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The EU has no negotiating strategy - according to the Telegraph

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BeaStoic · 09/02/2020 09:00

The EU is scoffing with panic. This week, its leaders neurotically laughed off the threat of a Parliament shutdown, as bureaucrats slammed their fists over post-Brexit budget cuts. Press officers tuttingly buried an economic report warning that Brexit will rock bloc economies.But they struggled to firefight raging speculation as to who might follow Britain out the door. As rumours rumbled of anItalexitdebt crisis, Marine Le Pen thundered that a global Eurosceptic movement has infiltrated Brussels.

Perhaps the most intriguing development this week, however, isMichel Barnier’s shift in persona. Mere months ago, Mr Barnier was gloomily instructing Britain to sign up to vassalage. Lecture highlights included “why Britain must take responsibility” (by becoming an EU satellite state) and why “choices” (for example liberty) must have “consequences”. But suddenly, the school master has a snake oil salesman. His arid presentations on Britain’s self-inflicted fate have morphed into butterypitches for “a best in class free trade agreement”.

Such a “best in class” deal could be otherwise described as Theresa Mayite vassalage. It entails sucking Britain into megalomaniac defence projects, allowing Brussels toplunder Britain’s fishing waters, and blessing Britain with freedom for the small price of sacrificing its competitiveness. This “exceptional offer” is beinggift-wrappedfree of charge in the tangled red ribbons of state aid paperwork and taxation regulations. Available fora limited time only (expires Dec 2020).

In reality, though Brussels knows that its chance to flog Britain the worst trade deal in history is slipping away. It can no longer fall back on the backstop to keep us locked in Hotel California. Boris Johnson’s thumping majority also means Britain’s "no deal" bargaining chip is back in play:aWTO Brexitwould pass through Parliament reasonably comfortably. Revelations this week that, in the event of no deal,Japanese car giant Nissan would considerdoublingdown on the UK to boost its domestic market share, and protect its Sunderland plant,underline the inconvenient truth:Project Fear premonitions are overblown, andBritain could cope perfectly well without a trade deal.

It is also becoming embarrassingly clear that the EU has no actual strategy. Only the clapped out choreography of a collapsing robo-bureaucracy. The most tedious of its “secret moves” is sequencing. Granted, this was how Brussels tripped up that lurching political equivalent to two left feet, Theresa May. She sealed her fate when she foolishly agreed to settle Northern Ireland before penning a divorce settlement.

But the idea that Boris Johnson’s government would fall for this again is laughable. Still the EU tries its luck: this week Mr Barnier said that before signing up to a trade deal, Britain would have to agree to the EU’s conditions - effectively trying to turn fishing and Gibraltar into the new Irish Border.

Another of the EU’s recycled moves is heel dragging. It intends to bog Britain down with absurd and nonsensically disparate demands until the deadline is near. The idea being that Boris Johnson will feel political pressure to avoid breaking his promise to settle Brexit by the end of the year - and thus sign up to a dud deal.

Britain’s counter-move is already evident - to negotiate trade deals with the United States and other countries, as talks with Brussels flounder; Cummings and co are determined to send out the message that if the EU does not want to engage in talks then that it can go jogging.

Indeed, Trade Secretary Liz Truss announced on Thursday that Britain is seeking huge reductions in tariffs from a trade deal with the United States. The Government also intends to begin negotiations with Japan, Australia and New Zealand in the coming months.

And so the EU gets more and more desperate. In a stumbling tribute to Orwellian doublespeak, its most ridiculous new wheeze is semantic. It is genuinely trying to get Britain to accidentally enslave itself by changing the meaning of basic words.

This includes the preposition “In”. Britain has rejected staying “in” the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions. Brussels’ solution? Offer “access” to the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions.

Then there is the oldest trick of the bureaucratic sociopath: the unflinching lie. My favourite peddled by the EU this week is that free movement must continue as the condition for any trade deal. Even though the EU has, in the Political Declaration, conceded the precise contrary.

It is increasingly clear that Brussels is the new Theresa May of these negotiations. And it is finally heading for a rude awakening.

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MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 09:55

@Mistigri

Still can't work out what prevents service providers obtaining business visas.

Servicing machinery is normally done at specified intervals and therefore can be planned in advance. For example, would you wait until the MOT on your car was on its last day before you booked it in for MOT?

IvinghoeBeacon · 12/02/2020 09:59

“I can do it by teleconference” as a counter to an employer who you want to hire you but their requirements state that you need right to work in the EU is not going to be an acceptable answer. Your application will be rejected outright because you don’t meet the criteria. Employers aren’t obliged to employ UK workers. It’s not all about meetings in person vs teleconferencing. Most employers are encouraging the latter anyway for cost/environmental reasons, but there will be travel requirements for some

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 10:28

Your application will be rejected outright because you don’t meet the criteria

In which case there will be no need for either video interview or travel as applicants would not be short listed.

Employers aren’t obliged to employ UK workers

Correct, but may do so if they are of the view that same job can't be filled by a local. I have worked in many countries around the World and never been refused a work permit or residence visa because I had a UK passport.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 10:31

My point still stands. Done as the U.K. is doing it is a car crash, better to look and learn what not to do

So that other EU members who choose to leave can do so more efficiently. Would imagine many EU members will observe what happens to the UK over the next few years. If it goes well for the UK others may follow.

IvinghoeBeacon · 12/02/2020 10:39

“ In which case there will be no need for either video interview or travel as applicants would not be short listed.“

Thank you for reiterating my point.

if more companies start to make EU working rights a requirement then there will be fewer opportunities for UK workers. The ability to get a visa is irrelevant. If employing UK workers becomes an onerous administrative burden then they just won’t have as many options.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 10:50

If employing UK workers becomes an onerous administrative burden then they just won’t have as many options

That's why it is increasingly common for Expats to be either employed via agents, freelance or local umbrella company. Then the end employer does not have to deal with such administration.

Peregrina · 12/02/2020 10:57

Since the EU expanded to take in the E European states, courtesy of a big push by the UK, there is now a much bigger pool of EU citizens to fish in. Why should a German firm bother with a UK citizen that they have to check has a visa or visa waiver, when they can just recruit a Pole for less effort?

As for the UK, now that we are shutting the door on EU citizens moving easily, we have to recruit from the rest of the world and e.g. with health care staff, go through the rigmarole and cost of getting them a visa, then finding that the HO won't let their family in.......

Ah, but it's all so much better, which is why Johnson and cronies don't want to talk about Brexit, and not celebrate it.

IvinghoeBeacon · 12/02/2020 10:58

What has this got to do with expats? You are out of touch with what it is like to live and work in the UK.

IvinghoeBeacon · 12/02/2020 11:02

When the only leave representative on most brexit threads admits that they are “brexit-proof”, it’s very clear that they believe that there is something that needs proofing against. I would be very unhappy as a leave voter living and working within the UK that that is how their situation is viewed by leave voters who live outside the UK.

Peregrina · 12/02/2020 11:08

Yup Mystery should be planning to return to the UK permanently since it's about to become the Promised Land.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 11:11

@livinghoe

Brexit proof means not affected either way it goes.

Now that UK is leaving the EU any UK person working in the EU will be considered expatriates just as they are now when working outside of the EU.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 11:12

Yup Mystery should be planning to return to the UK

After retirement (another 5 years away) will take stock

IvinghoeBeacon · 12/02/2020 11:20

Someone with no skin in the game enjoys winding up those who do. Plus ça change etc, but it’s deliberately shitty behaviour, and has been called out many times before

Peregrina · 12/02/2020 11:26

I don't think he's succeeding in winding us up; he is making a fool of himself.

Going back to the subject of the thread, we will soon see who has the negotiating strategy.

Foggyday124 · 12/02/2020 11:35

Yep. Let’s wait and see how well it all goes now.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 11:41

no skin in the game

Not entirely correct. I have assets in the UK (mostly rental properties). If the UK goes down the drain, as forecast by many, then that will surely impact property values.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 11:50

Since the EU expanded to take in the E European states, courtesy of a big push by the UK, there is now a much bigger pool of EU citizens to fish in

And what a mistake that was by the UK as has been acknowledged by labour when in government from 1997 to 2010.

we have to recruit from the rest of the world and e.g. with health care staff, go through the rigmarole and cost of getting them a visa, then finding that the HO won't let their family in

Didn't seem to affect the Japanese who moved to the UK when the Nissan plant was built in Washigton, Sunderland.

Peregrina · 12/02/2020 11:56

Nissan moved to the UK long before May dreamt up her Hostile Environement, and a few Japanese managers in one small geographical area don't really equate to hospitals up and down the land.

malylis · 12/02/2020 12:15

"and what a mistake that was as has been acknowledged by Labour"

No they acknowledged that they had underestimated the number of immigrants that would arrive. Not that it was a mistake.

Very, very few Japanese managers in Washington, all of the current directors there are British, only one or two Japanese directors for Nissan Europe as a whole.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 12:28

@Malylis

Look at:

Former home secretary Jack Straw has admitted Labour's decision to drop immigration restrictions on eastern European migrants was a "spectacular mistake"

Mr Straw said that the Home Office had wildly underestimated the number of immigrants that would come to the UK from 2004

Link is:
news.sky.com/story/straw-admits-spectacular-immigration-mistake-10428153

The word mistake jumps out a bit.

Who advised the Home Office? Was the same people who forecast the recession and job loses.

GoldenMarigolds · 12/02/2020 12:37

Makes me smile when Brits abroad are referred to as ExPats, whereas non British coming to UK are called Immigrants.

malylis · 12/02/2020 13:13

Yes about the mistakes estimates of the numbers arriving not that it was a mistake over all.

Helps if you read the articles you link to.

You have plenty of time after all.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 13:26

Yes about the mistakes estimates of the numbers arriving not that it was a mistake over all

That's why there was a restriction previously. That way maximum numbers are always known.

Who provided the Home Office with the estimates? Experts?

jasjas1973 · 12/02/2020 16:28

Video conferencing? lol! are you stuck in the 90s???

UC - Netmeeting, Skype for Business, Teams.... etc etc things have moved on ust an tinny a bit since line aggregation and a TV screen/camera in a room.

Though these have their place but sometimes you really do need to meet face to face and UK & EU companies operating out of the UK will be at a disadvantage, also applies to Uni's too, perhaps more so.... Remember Brexit takes away something that they've been use too for decades, its really quite isolating if you take time to think about it.

ListeningQuietly · 12/02/2020 17:40

You cannot eat service industries.

Customs clearance will kill JiT
simples