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The EU has no negotiating strategy - according to the Telegraph

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BeaStoic · 09/02/2020 09:00

The EU is scoffing with panic. This week, its leaders neurotically laughed off the threat of a Parliament shutdown, as bureaucrats slammed their fists over post-Brexit budget cuts. Press officers tuttingly buried an economic report warning that Brexit will rock bloc economies.But they struggled to firefight raging speculation as to who might follow Britain out the door. As rumours rumbled of anItalexitdebt crisis, Marine Le Pen thundered that a global Eurosceptic movement has infiltrated Brussels.

Perhaps the most intriguing development this week, however, isMichel Barnier’s shift in persona. Mere months ago, Mr Barnier was gloomily instructing Britain to sign up to vassalage. Lecture highlights included “why Britain must take responsibility” (by becoming an EU satellite state) and why “choices” (for example liberty) must have “consequences”. But suddenly, the school master has a snake oil salesman. His arid presentations on Britain’s self-inflicted fate have morphed into butterypitches for “a best in class free trade agreement”.

Such a “best in class” deal could be otherwise described as Theresa Mayite vassalage. It entails sucking Britain into megalomaniac defence projects, allowing Brussels toplunder Britain’s fishing waters, and blessing Britain with freedom for the small price of sacrificing its competitiveness. This “exceptional offer” is beinggift-wrappedfree of charge in the tangled red ribbons of state aid paperwork and taxation regulations. Available fora limited time only (expires Dec 2020).

In reality, though Brussels knows that its chance to flog Britain the worst trade deal in history is slipping away. It can no longer fall back on the backstop to keep us locked in Hotel California. Boris Johnson’s thumping majority also means Britain’s "no deal" bargaining chip is back in play:aWTO Brexitwould pass through Parliament reasonably comfortably. Revelations this week that, in the event of no deal,Japanese car giant Nissan would considerdoublingdown on the UK to boost its domestic market share, and protect its Sunderland plant,underline the inconvenient truth:Project Fear premonitions are overblown, andBritain could cope perfectly well without a trade deal.

It is also becoming embarrassingly clear that the EU has no actual strategy. Only the clapped out choreography of a collapsing robo-bureaucracy. The most tedious of its “secret moves” is sequencing. Granted, this was how Brussels tripped up that lurching political equivalent to two left feet, Theresa May. She sealed her fate when she foolishly agreed to settle Northern Ireland before penning a divorce settlement.

But the idea that Boris Johnson’s government would fall for this again is laughable. Still the EU tries its luck: this week Mr Barnier said that before signing up to a trade deal, Britain would have to agree to the EU’s conditions - effectively trying to turn fishing and Gibraltar into the new Irish Border.

Another of the EU’s recycled moves is heel dragging. It intends to bog Britain down with absurd and nonsensically disparate demands until the deadline is near. The idea being that Boris Johnson will feel political pressure to avoid breaking his promise to settle Brexit by the end of the year - and thus sign up to a dud deal.

Britain’s counter-move is already evident - to negotiate trade deals with the United States and other countries, as talks with Brussels flounder; Cummings and co are determined to send out the message that if the EU does not want to engage in talks then that it can go jogging.

Indeed, Trade Secretary Liz Truss announced on Thursday that Britain is seeking huge reductions in tariffs from a trade deal with the United States. The Government also intends to begin negotiations with Japan, Australia and New Zealand in the coming months.

And so the EU gets more and more desperate. In a stumbling tribute to Orwellian doublespeak, its most ridiculous new wheeze is semantic. It is genuinely trying to get Britain to accidentally enslave itself by changing the meaning of basic words.

This includes the preposition “In”. Britain has rejected staying “in” the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions. Brussels’ solution? Offer “access” to the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions.

Then there is the oldest trick of the bureaucratic sociopath: the unflinching lie. My favourite peddled by the EU this week is that free movement must continue as the condition for any trade deal. Even though the EU has, in the Political Declaration, conceded the precise contrary.

It is increasingly clear that Brussels is the new Theresa May of these negotiations. And it is finally heading for a rude awakening.

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HannibalHayes · 11/02/2020 22:47

Some can’t work out when they are being played

And some can't work out that however much they try to claim that they're playing people, they really aren't remotely as clever as they'd like to think they are...

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 06:09

Er no, the UK has already left. I thought you knew that

Not entirely. Still partly in until transition period ends.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 06:22

@Malylis

If the prominent theories result is many inaccurate predictions maybe they are not that good?

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 06:26

I’d be seriously unhappy

Me too if HMRC can get their mitts on it.

Did you ever work on the Kashagan Project in the Kazakhstan? What a disaster that was.

Foggyday124 · 12/02/2020 06:32

What I don’t understand is why people think that the EU is using Brexit and the U.K. to scare other EU countries into not leaving the block. The point is that they don’t want other countries to leave in the same shitty way the U.K. has gone about it for the past two years. By all means, free speech and actions and all that, but governments need to behave as adults and not as children in a nursery playground. That’s what the EU wants to warn other countries about.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 06:43

@HannibalHayes

Anyone over 18 can vote. No screening of people beforehand.

That’s why these threads always end up with the we know better people are in the huff. They think everyone has to fall into their line because they are superior.

malylis · 12/02/2020 06:52

strawman fail. That is your claim not one others have made.

Tee hee, last night was funny.

You off to your pretend job today?

jasjas1973 · 12/02/2020 07:10

UK service exports are around 45% of total exports, with the EU by far the biggest market (and surprisingly growing despite Brexit) double that of US, ease of travel between EU and UK will be crucial to keep this market.

Very disappointing that services get so little recognition in our future relationship with the EU, perhaps the govt like many others think "services" just involve "Telecom and internet" (same thing) that sort of simplistic idiotic thinking got us into this mess in the first place.

Agree with PP, the EU isn't punishing the UK, but is protecting itself (SM) from our stupidity.

Mistigri · 12/02/2020 07:16

Delivering services often requires FOM (or expensive visas/work permits). This is why companies like Ryanair are already requiring that U.K. candidates have the unrestricted ability to work in the EU.

Another chunk of those services exports are financial services that rely on passporting.

Of course all this works both ways, which is why a German bank pulled out of the U.K. market yesterday. But the impact will be asymmetrical.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 07:25

from our stupidity

Malylis take note.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 08:07

@jasjas1973
@Mistigri

What prevents people from obtaining business visa for short trips to the EU?

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 08:12

@Malylis

Take a look at

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/author-article-50-says-no-21413722

Another reference to stupid

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 08:24

@Foggyday124

Not convinced that EU does not want others to leave. Take a look at

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-britain-theresa-may-article-50-not-supposed-meant-to-be-used-trigger-giuliano-a7156656.html

Mr Amato went on to describe Brexit as a "disaster", called David Cameron "mad" for calling a referendum over it and urged other countries not to follow suit.

Of impending talks, he said: "Don't give Britain the possibility of thinking that Brexit is a better way of doing what they have always done, grabbing what suits them [in the EU] and opting out of what they don't like. Brexit is a total opting out. They know this very well.

"The more they realise that they are losing, then the more chance there is that in 2020 [when there will be a general election] someone will do something about it."

He conceded that this was an "absurd hope" however, and as such wants "the negotiations [to be] dragged on so they won't be wrapped up by 2020. (Prime Minister) May wants to wrap things up by 2019, but it will be easy to prolong matters

Take note of the text in bold. Clear to me that EU wanted to drag out the process in the hope that a GE in the UK would overturn the 2016 referendum result.

Peregrina · 12/02/2020 08:51

Oh who should we believe Lord Kerr, or the anonymous Mystery who is busy trying to mansplain to us, and will go very silent when it doesn't go the way he wants?

Now as for dragging things out, a certain Johnson was one of the architects of the delay, although he would like you to forget that now.

malylis · 12/02/2020 08:55

The EU had agreed things by 2019, it was the UK that prolonged it.

Whoops, one person who was not involved in tue negotiations does not mean you can draw the verdict you have.

Nice appeal to authority though

HannibalHayes · 12/02/2020 08:56

I see, so MTA is actually proud of knowing less than the rest of us.

Probably one of those people who sneered at the "swots" at school...

jasjas1973 · 12/02/2020 09:11

Visas create barriers, by their very nature they restrict movement by specifying criteria... otherwise there is no point to them.

ATM a meeting can be called in London at short notice and an EU citizen can get on a plane and be there & vice versa.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 09:14

The EU had agreed things by 2019, it was the UK that prolonged it

Agreement is required both the EU and the UK to sign up. It can't be dictated unilaterally by the EU as you suggest.

one person who was not involved in tue negotiations does not mean you can draw the verdict you have

All EU members have to sign up to the final deals.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 09:16

ATM a meeting can be called in London at short notice and an EU citizen can get on a plane and be there & vice versa

Ever heard of video conferences?

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 09:20

@HannibalHayes

There are no voting requirements other than

Being over voting age

Turning up at the polling station

Your post is another example of:

Only those who (think) they know best can vote

Peregrina · 12/02/2020 09:28

I have to wonder how many conferences Mystery has been to. Yes, there are video conferences but you miss out on the informal discussions and networking that being there in person enables.

BTW Mystery, you don't even need to turn up at the polling station.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 09:35

BTW Mystery, you don't even need to turn up at the polling station

Okay fussy pants. Let's re-phrase. Voting has two requirements:

To be over voting age;

and

To actually vote by whatever means are available

Mistigri · 12/02/2020 09:36

I think there is a basic misunderstanding of what a lot of services exports consist of.

You can split services exports into exports that require a physical presence (eg servicing a machine you've supplied to an EU client, or conducting an audit) and those that don't (financial services, but also other services that can be dematerialised, like translation).

The former will be affected by lack of free movement (and in fact barriers to service provision may make U.K.-manufactured capital goods less competitive in the EU market). The latter aren't affected by the need for work visas, but will be affected by the loss of passporting and potentially by data protection issues.

MysteryTripAgain · 12/02/2020 09:38

but you miss out on the informal discussions and networking that being there in person enables

That's for peronal purposes as opposed to getting the task done.

Foggyday124 · 12/02/2020 09:40

Thanks for the bold and explanation. My point still stands. Done as the U.K. is doing it is a car crash, better to look and learn what not to do.

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