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The EU has no negotiating strategy - according to the Telegraph

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BeaStoic · 09/02/2020 09:00

The EU is scoffing with panic. This week, its leaders neurotically laughed off the threat of a Parliament shutdown, as bureaucrats slammed their fists over post-Brexit budget cuts. Press officers tuttingly buried an economic report warning that Brexit will rock bloc economies.But they struggled to firefight raging speculation as to who might follow Britain out the door. As rumours rumbled of anItalexitdebt crisis, Marine Le Pen thundered that a global Eurosceptic movement has infiltrated Brussels.

Perhaps the most intriguing development this week, however, isMichel Barnier’s shift in persona. Mere months ago, Mr Barnier was gloomily instructing Britain to sign up to vassalage. Lecture highlights included “why Britain must take responsibility” (by becoming an EU satellite state) and why “choices” (for example liberty) must have “consequences”. But suddenly, the school master has a snake oil salesman. His arid presentations on Britain’s self-inflicted fate have morphed into butterypitches for “a best in class free trade agreement”.

Such a “best in class” deal could be otherwise described as Theresa Mayite vassalage. It entails sucking Britain into megalomaniac defence projects, allowing Brussels toplunder Britain’s fishing waters, and blessing Britain with freedom for the small price of sacrificing its competitiveness. This “exceptional offer” is beinggift-wrappedfree of charge in the tangled red ribbons of state aid paperwork and taxation regulations. Available fora limited time only (expires Dec 2020).

In reality, though Brussels knows that its chance to flog Britain the worst trade deal in history is slipping away. It can no longer fall back on the backstop to keep us locked in Hotel California. Boris Johnson’s thumping majority also means Britain’s "no deal" bargaining chip is back in play:aWTO Brexitwould pass through Parliament reasonably comfortably. Revelations this week that, in the event of no deal,Japanese car giant Nissan would considerdoublingdown on the UK to boost its domestic market share, and protect its Sunderland plant,underline the inconvenient truth:Project Fear premonitions are overblown, andBritain could cope perfectly well without a trade deal.

It is also becoming embarrassingly clear that the EU has no actual strategy. Only the clapped out choreography of a collapsing robo-bureaucracy. The most tedious of its “secret moves” is sequencing. Granted, this was how Brussels tripped up that lurching political equivalent to two left feet, Theresa May. She sealed her fate when she foolishly agreed to settle Northern Ireland before penning a divorce settlement.

But the idea that Boris Johnson’s government would fall for this again is laughable. Still the EU tries its luck: this week Mr Barnier said that before signing up to a trade deal, Britain would have to agree to the EU’s conditions - effectively trying to turn fishing and Gibraltar into the new Irish Border.

Another of the EU’s recycled moves is heel dragging. It intends to bog Britain down with absurd and nonsensically disparate demands until the deadline is near. The idea being that Boris Johnson will feel political pressure to avoid breaking his promise to settle Brexit by the end of the year - and thus sign up to a dud deal.

Britain’s counter-move is already evident - to negotiate trade deals with the United States and other countries, as talks with Brussels flounder; Cummings and co are determined to send out the message that if the EU does not want to engage in talks then that it can go jogging.

Indeed, Trade Secretary Liz Truss announced on Thursday that Britain is seeking huge reductions in tariffs from a trade deal with the United States. The Government also intends to begin negotiations with Japan, Australia and New Zealand in the coming months.

And so the EU gets more and more desperate. In a stumbling tribute to Orwellian doublespeak, its most ridiculous new wheeze is semantic. It is genuinely trying to get Britain to accidentally enslave itself by changing the meaning of basic words.

This includes the preposition “In”. Britain has rejected staying “in” the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions. Brussels’ solution? Offer “access” to the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions.

Then there is the oldest trick of the bureaucratic sociopath: the unflinching lie. My favourite peddled by the EU this week is that free movement must continue as the condition for any trade deal. Even though the EU has, in the Political Declaration, conceded the precise contrary.

It is increasingly clear that Brussels is the new Theresa May of these negotiations. And it is finally heading for a rude awakening.

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ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 21:17

“MysteryTripAgain

Too much to read at moment. However, at first glance I am not sure the gravity model works for the UK as 80% of economy is services which can be done by telecom and internet. So where is the linear link between cost and distance?

You do realise that the 80% of services is domestic?

Does that include oil and gas?

We are specifically oil and gas.

Worldwide, BTW.

malylis · 11/02/2020 21:21

This is really funny.

Thank you all

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 21:27

I’m tempted to say it’s like shooting fish in a barrel (the seismic version might involve dynamite, third country nationals and an irate local police force).

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 21:28

Mistigri was the star. Two reasons:

They were kind enough to provide a link about gravity.

They worked out a few days ago what really was going on. However, same persons were reeled again.

Sleep time for me. Need the rest as paid tax free is stressful.

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 21:29

Nowhere near what it used to be.

Not what you said. You declared that there was no mining in the UK. You did not say that you were only referring to deep coal mining. We could guess that is what you meant but we chose not to, because it's quite enjoyable seeing you do your Houdini act.

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 21:30

@MysteryTripAgain

Doesn’t change that UK economy is 80% service based

Yup, but that’s the domestic economy. Not exports.

ListeningQuietly · 11/02/2020 21:30

Doesn’t change that UK economy is 80% service based.
Indeed but gravity affects solid items much more than it does intangibles

even if they are a cannon ball and a feather being dropped off the leaning tower of Pisa

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 21:38

I always wondered why the feather didn't just blow away......

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 21:39

@MysteryTripAgain

They were kind enough to provide a link about gravity.

You needed someone (gosh, a woman to explain it to you.

Need the rest as paid tax free is stressful

Bless. One day you’ll get the day rate where you can work from home and not worry about your 90 days.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 21:51

You needed someone (gosh, a woman to explain it to you

Mistigri didn’t do any explaining. They provided a link to read.

Bless. One day you’ll get the day rate where you can work from home and not worry about your 90 days

Working in the UK will never be tax free. Too many non producers to be paid by those that do something useful.

It’s 91 days BTW

ListeningQuietly · 11/02/2020 21:53

Too many non producers to be paid by those that do something useful.
Off you go then. Bye. Night night.

HannibalHayes · 11/02/2020 21:59

Oh, this is hilarious!

MTA is getting his arse handed to him in a bucket, and he doesn't seem to realise it!

He must be getting paid really well by the Kremlin!

AuldAlliance · 11/02/2020 22:01

I read this book over and over again as a kid and then again as a parent, but I don't remember the bit about how much spare time the creature lurking under that bridge had. Or how very peckish it was.
Must revise my classics.

The EU has no negotiating strategy - according to the Telegraph
malylis · 11/02/2020 22:12

It has been hilarious that someone who spouts about trade doesn't know about the prominent theories about trade. Yet it was the reason behind their vote.

All the talk of reeling people in is to avoid the fact that yet again Mystery has been proven to know nothing about what they claim to.

Funnyyyyy

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 22:17

@HannibalHayes

As Mistigri posted a few days ago. Some can’t work out when they are being played.

Numerous threads started by remain supporters trying to get Brexit cancelled by knocking everything said by leave supporters without realising it’s the leavers that are laughing.

In my case a leaver who neither lives nor works in the UK and seldom in the EU and is Brexit proof regardless of the outcome. Hahahah.

If I remember correctly both Auld and Mistigri now live in France. So not too sure why they are Brexit observers. If the expert economists are correct (doubtful based on track record) being in EU as opposed to UK is better?

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 22:26

@MysteryTripAgain

Mistigri didn’t do any explaining. They provided a link to read.

Bollocks. You had no fucking idea.

Working in the UK will never be tax free. Too many non producers to be paid by those that do something useful.

It’s 91 days BTW

If your basic tax free day rate is less than our day rate once taxes are accounted for - then that’s not true is it?

And as for the 90 day rule - depends on your ties.

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 22:32

If your basic tax free day rate is less than our day rate once taxes are accounted for - then that’s not true is it

If you give me your numbers I can answer that.

And as for the 90 day rule - depends on your ties

Ties only taken into account if you don’t satisfy the Third Automatic Non Resident tax.

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 22:32

I think your memory is letting you down Mystery. Auld and Mistigri have both lived in France for quite a long time from what I recall.

But of course, when you leave a country, you completely wipe it out of your memory as though it no longer existed.

As we have said, despite Johnson and Rees-Mogg's best delaying tactics, they did manage to get their Brexit through. They now have to deliver. Rees-Mogg has gone a bit quiet - although I was informed that this was because it was near the end of the tax year, so he will be sorting out his money. I thought myself it might be because he's fallen out with Johnson.

AuldAlliance · 11/02/2020 22:37

There's reeling in.
And then there's reeling in.
They're totally different things.

There's neither living nor working in the UK and seldom being in the EU and being Brexit proof regardless of the outcome. Hahahah.
And then there's observing Brexit from the EU.
The EU which, unlike other non-UK places, is a very poor place whence to observe the UK and Brexit.
They're totally different things.
Especially since Jan 31st, a day some people counted down to, staring at clocks on the wall in onanistic delight.
Maybe the ejaculatory cackle makes all the difference?

Relativism rules OK.

GoldenMarigolds · 11/02/2020 22:37

It is less than 4 months until UK must decide whether to go for extension or go No Deal.

Not a lot of people know this!

"The terms of the Withdrawal Agreement allow the UK–EU Joint Committee to extend the transition period by up to two years, but it must sign off on the length of any extension before 1 July 2020. EU lawyers say that once that window is missed, EU law makes it very difficult to agree to any extension."

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-transition-period.

Has this changed at all does anyone know?

MysteryTripAgain · 11/02/2020 22:40

Yet it was the reason behind their vote

It was. Increase the areas where UK had trade surplus to balance the areas that have a deficit.

to avoid the fact that yet again Mystery has been proven to know nothing about what they claim to

Never claimed to be economist. Irrelevant anyway as despite those who claim to be such experts, they got it all wrong again.

No recession or job losses by voting leave.

No advance warning to sell shares in 1987

No advance warning about 2007/2008 financial markets.

One thing I know for sure is that UK is leaving the EU and the bad losers can’t change that. Hahaha

ContinuityError · 11/02/2020 22:41

I don’t need to supply any numbers - but seem to remember you were unhappy on a previous thread about a £750 day rate.

I’d be seriously unhappy..

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 22:43

Er no, the UK has already left. I thought you knew that.

Peregrina · 11/02/2020 22:44

My punctuation didn't work. I will try bold this time: has already left. I am surprised that you don't remember this Mystery, it was not quite two weeks ago. Perhaps you are getting on a bit and your memory is beginning to go?

malylis · 11/02/2020 22:46

The one thing I know for sure is that you claimed that you had voted leave because of trade, and are then massively ignorant of issues to do with trade and the most prominent theories behind it (you probably need comparative advantage explaining too).

You have previously cited expert analysis in order to support your points, so fail there too. Also pointing out forecasting failures does not necessarily invalidate all forecasting.

But then you don't understand much.

This had been funny though