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Brexit

The EU has no negotiating strategy - according to the Telegraph

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BeaStoic · 09/02/2020 09:00

The EU is scoffing with panic. This week, its leaders neurotically laughed off the threat of a Parliament shutdown, as bureaucrats slammed their fists over post-Brexit budget cuts. Press officers tuttingly buried an economic report warning that Brexit will rock bloc economies.But they struggled to firefight raging speculation as to who might follow Britain out the door. As rumours rumbled of anItalexitdebt crisis, Marine Le Pen thundered that a global Eurosceptic movement has infiltrated Brussels.

Perhaps the most intriguing development this week, however, isMichel Barnier’s shift in persona. Mere months ago, Mr Barnier was gloomily instructing Britain to sign up to vassalage. Lecture highlights included “why Britain must take responsibility” (by becoming an EU satellite state) and why “choices” (for example liberty) must have “consequences”. But suddenly, the school master has a snake oil salesman. His arid presentations on Britain’s self-inflicted fate have morphed into butterypitches for “a best in class free trade agreement”.

Such a “best in class” deal could be otherwise described as Theresa Mayite vassalage. It entails sucking Britain into megalomaniac defence projects, allowing Brussels toplunder Britain’s fishing waters, and blessing Britain with freedom for the small price of sacrificing its competitiveness. This “exceptional offer” is beinggift-wrappedfree of charge in the tangled red ribbons of state aid paperwork and taxation regulations. Available fora limited time only (expires Dec 2020).

In reality, though Brussels knows that its chance to flog Britain the worst trade deal in history is slipping away. It can no longer fall back on the backstop to keep us locked in Hotel California. Boris Johnson’s thumping majority also means Britain’s "no deal" bargaining chip is back in play:aWTO Brexitwould pass through Parliament reasonably comfortably. Revelations this week that, in the event of no deal,Japanese car giant Nissan would considerdoublingdown on the UK to boost its domestic market share, and protect its Sunderland plant,underline the inconvenient truth:Project Fear premonitions are overblown, andBritain could cope perfectly well without a trade deal.

It is also becoming embarrassingly clear that the EU has no actual strategy. Only the clapped out choreography of a collapsing robo-bureaucracy. The most tedious of its “secret moves” is sequencing. Granted, this was how Brussels tripped up that lurching political equivalent to two left feet, Theresa May. She sealed her fate when she foolishly agreed to settle Northern Ireland before penning a divorce settlement.

But the idea that Boris Johnson’s government would fall for this again is laughable. Still the EU tries its luck: this week Mr Barnier said that before signing up to a trade deal, Britain would have to agree to the EU’s conditions - effectively trying to turn fishing and Gibraltar into the new Irish Border.

Another of the EU’s recycled moves is heel dragging. It intends to bog Britain down with absurd and nonsensically disparate demands until the deadline is near. The idea being that Boris Johnson will feel political pressure to avoid breaking his promise to settle Brexit by the end of the year - and thus sign up to a dud deal.

Britain’s counter-move is already evident - to negotiate trade deals with the United States and other countries, as talks with Brussels flounder; Cummings and co are determined to send out the message that if the EU does not want to engage in talks then that it can go jogging.

Indeed, Trade Secretary Liz Truss announced on Thursday that Britain is seeking huge reductions in tariffs from a trade deal with the United States. The Government also intends to begin negotiations with Japan, Australia and New Zealand in the coming months.

And so the EU gets more and more desperate. In a stumbling tribute to Orwellian doublespeak, its most ridiculous new wheeze is semantic. It is genuinely trying to get Britain to accidentally enslave itself by changing the meaning of basic words.

This includes the preposition “In”. Britain has rejected staying “in” the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions. Brussels’ solution? Offer “access” to the single market, with all the accompanying constrictions and conditions.

Then there is the oldest trick of the bureaucratic sociopath: the unflinching lie. My favourite peddled by the EU this week is that free movement must continue as the condition for any trade deal. Even though the EU has, in the Political Declaration, conceded the precise contrary.

It is increasingly clear that Brussels is the new Theresa May of these negotiations. And it is finally heading for a rude awakening.

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MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 12:38

@continuity

Trying to work out who you are. Technip or KBR?

jasjas1973 · 13/02/2020 13:30

MTA ---- no one said "ban ALL aviation" thats just stupid BUT there is no reason at all to actively set out to increase it.

Javid has resigned... says something about how he, as a former remainer, sees the UK economy.
Perhaps his speeches on what would happen if we left the EU, are really what he believes?

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 13:39

Jasjas

Are you capable of posting without the word stupid?

ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2020 14:15

The vast majority of flights are taken by a very small minority of people.
If those people halved their air travel it would make a big difference.

The Third Runway at Heathrow would not be needed if the UK Govt gave a shit about rising levels of CO2

Flight is not essential for much of trade
and the new China - Belgium rail route is faster than sea, cleaner than air and more economic for trader.

99% of conferences are bullshit and could be cancelled at no net cost to any industry other than hospitality

BUT
Brexit involves the UK cutting itself off from trading partners
so what to Brexiters care about the issue

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 14:45

Brexit involves the UK cutting itself off from trading partners

No it doesn’t. UK exports more to non EU countries than to the EU; has a trade surplus to show for it and does not make contributions to non EU. The opposite is true of trade with the EU.

I don’t think it was the intent of either the EU or the UK never to trade with each other again after Brexit, but to renegotiate the terms.

ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2020 14:50

MTA
I really cannot be bothered to dismantle the errors in your last missive.
I do not know how much Putin's cronies are paying you to keep posting such drivel, but it might be better for the planet if you went off and earned some money
there's a good boy.

jasjas1973 · 13/02/2020 15:00

MTA - would be stupid if i did that!

malylis · 13/02/2020 15:04

The EU and EU trade agreements make up 60 percent of UK exports.

Comparing EU trade with ROW is erroneous as the EU counts as one market the ROW is many markets.

AuldAlliance · 13/02/2020 17:21

The Indian Ocean is a country now.
Who knew, eh?

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 19:26

@LQ

Dismantle all you wish.

Fact is UK gives more money to the EU than it gets back and has a trade deficit with the EU at the same time.

Shit on top of shit all the way.

ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2020 19:30

The UK buys from abroad more than it exports to abroad.
Can be solved by buying less or exporting more.
JCB cannot export at the moment because they import their components.
Trade is not a zero sum game.

malylis · 13/02/2020 19:31

Except the UK benefits from EU membership in economic terms massively. Presenting only the costs is not a good way of CBA.

But then its simple so appealing to the author

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 19:32

@AuldAlliance

Indian Ocean territory is made up of;

Madagascar
Mauritius
Reunion
Rodrigues
Seychelles
Comoros

I have worked in three of those places.

Also for information Brexit is happening and won’t be cancelled regardless of how many corrections or knocks remainers (bad losers) make towards who respect democracy.

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 19:34

Can be solved by buying less or exporting more

So expand in areas that UK already enjoys a trade surplus.

ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2020 19:41

But sticking to the tangibles,
the UK imports stuff manufactured elsewhere - we are not self sufficient in plastic tat
so we can either buy less of it
or make much, much more of it
blogs.cranfield.ac.uk/library/bloomberg-trade-flows/attachment/uk-trade-flows

ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2020 19:42

So expand in areas that UK already enjoys a trade surplus.
List please
oh wise one

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 19:43

Except the UK benefits from EU membership in economic terms massively. Presenting only the costs is not a good way of CBA

How is money flowing out being greater than money flowing in a benefit?

If my expenditure was always greater than my income would I not eventually go bankrupt?

If commuting cost was greater than earnings would that be an economic benefit to the individual concerned?

But then its simple so appealing to the author

Another presentation of remainer law, which has only ever been seen by remain supporters, that states.

Only those who know best can vote

Now that Brexit has been passed in both EU and UK law can remainers explain where to find the law they have been referring to since 2016?

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 19:46

@jasjas1973

Good one 👍. Infinitely better than Auld’s post

Its a complete Mystery in reply to Malylis on another thread a few days ago.

Auld and Malylis thought I was not watching, but were wrong. Hahaha.

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 19:53

List please oh wise one

This is where Cameron’s arrogance was a huge fail. A feasibility study should have completed before he announced in January 2013 before he stated there would be a referendum if he was elected again.

Reason he didn’t was arrogance on the assumption that:

Peasants will not dare disobey those who know better.

Even if they do will just ignore because democracy only applies when the results of a vote are what know who know best want to hear.

ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2020 20:01

MTA
Nothing to do with Cameron, oh clever one.
So expand in areas that UK already enjoys a trade surplus. you said.
what are those areas ?

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 20:08

Nothing to do with Cameron, oh clever one

Everything to do with Cameron. That’s why he fled not long after the referendum.

Don’t know the exact names of all the non EU countries which UK has a trade surplus, but such surplus is widely reported. So it must come from somewhere.

Those I remember are;

US
Hong Kong
Saudi Arabia
Switzerland

ListeningQuietly · 13/02/2020 20:17

www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/uktrade/november2019
USA : Top export = cars .... that will go if the EU border closes
Hong Kong : Top export = generators ..... ditto
Saudi : Top export = weapons used to kill Yemenis. excellent.
Switzerland : Top export = " unspecified goods " .... the ideal thing to expand upon

Any more bright ideas about reducing the UK's deficit ?

Peregrina · 13/02/2020 20:20

Sadly, I think the Arms Traders will always find a way through.

MysteryTripAgain · 13/02/2020 20:34

@LQ

Borders won’t be closed with the EU. In the event of a no deal the default is to trade on WTO.

There is always demand for weapons as Peregrina has pointed out.

Not sure how unspecified goods can be measured?

AuldAlliance · 13/02/2020 20:34

Mayotte
Maldives
TAAF (FSAL)
Sri Lanka?
India?
Zanzibar?
Tanzania?

Some are countries, some are not.
Collectively, they certainly aren't a country.
It doesn't change Brexit one iota and no one is suggesting otherwise. But defining an area of the globe as a country because/although you've lived in three countries/states/entities is an interesting mindset. A mindset that keeps getting flagged up on here. Like the cackling, it provides insight.