Westministenders: No Australia Don't Have A Deal

[RedToothBrush]

Since Friday, far from letting things calm down, Johnson has doubled down stating that if we can't have a Canada Deal (which the EU says wouldn't be equal because we are much closer than Canada geographically) we will go for an Australia Deal.

This is the latest rehash of a managed no deal package up as something else which the EU have already repeatedly said no to.

So we are on track for no deal.

At the same time Johnson has got very excited about American food and how its great. Almost as if he wants no deal wit the EU to force a shitty bad deal with the us through.

Johnson and his chronies have also been trying to undermine journalistic transparency by blocking access to the lobby to some media outlets in a move that makes us look like a tinpot dictatorship. Fortunately there was a mass walk out of journalists but it remains to be seen how long that can be maintained.

Far from being a clean slate to move forward from its already proving that nothing has changed and old divisions are as deep as ever, if not worse...

We rich, white, countries will not be allowed to reproduce because climate change. African countries will continue to reproduce, and then their people will take over the world,

That comes over as pretty racist tbh (even if you didn't mean it like that) ... birth rate is linked to education & prosperity and typically falls below replacement as countries become 'developed'.

But in fact although limiting population growth should be an aim, it makes no real difference as far as climate change is concerned unless people in developed countries reduce their consumption.

Sub-Saharan Africans are responsible for 0.8 tonnes per person pa annum of CO2 pollution.

For comparison the figure for Europe is 6 tonnes pp pa, USA 16 tonnes pp pa, China 7.5 tonnes pp pa (both the US and Europe effectively export a chunk of their emissions to China via the goods they import).

No I certainly didnt mean it to be racist! (maybe you should have read on...)

I was, admittedly childishly, sniggering at the fact that the Brexiteers may well find themselves with a lot more black and brown immigrants than they wish for...

Do you think the house astroturfer gets paid per word? Posting rate close to 150 messages/ day

(It would be sensible to stop engaging tbh.)

Mistigri
I have stopped responding to him. He adds nothing to the conversation.
Which is a shame as people like Hateis are worth discussing stuff with

(It would be sensible to stop engaging tbh.)

It's hard for people to resist responding, when somebody deliberately posts utter wankery which is intended to provoke a response. Funnily though, he's rather snowflakey when other people (OK, me ) post undisguised, literal 🍆💦 as a non-responsive filler.

Winners can and usually are magnanimous towards the losers. The fact that the Brexiters aren't yet, tells me something.

So far we have heard the same weary soundbites about why they voted against the EU - but not a squeak about the actual benefits. Maybe some psuedo benefits - we will be able to buy incandescent light bulbs, or bendy bananas again.

Winners usually know what they have one and have tangible evidence of some sort of their victory.

In this instance they have nothing
as 'freedom' and 'democracy' are lacking no matter what
and the sun still rises and the lights still work

PMK

Fwiw the natality rate in India for example is very similar to te one of developped countries just over 2.
However, because their population is still much younger than lets say ours, the population as a whole is still increasing a lot but will plateau in the next 20 years.

I aree with Misti, the issue isnt there and as much as possible has already been done (unless you want to go down the China's route of 1 child per couple).
In the mean time, as those countries are also getting richer an having mor and more facilities/money available, we need to concetrate on hoe to live with a much smaller carbon footprint. Both for western countries and to allow developping countries to still develop in a sustainable way.

Most preppers have the same kind of low-energy thinking as Brexiteers do. Summed up as a complete and utter ignorance about how things work."

I beg to differ DGRossetti but obviously that suits you to think otherwise.
I'm a general prepper. I've got MS which means serious health problems can pop up at any time, I have been snowed in, I've experienced redundancy, I've had power cuts, I've had interrupted water supply.
I prep so I don't need to worry about "how we'll cope" if any of that happens. I have a buffer to help me adjust to anything new and difficult. And if it doesn't happen, that's brilliant and the preferred outcome.
I'm the opposite of hysterical and unthinking about the "coronavirus". It's just another thing to me. Rather than trust to other people looking after me if things get sticky, I do what I can for myself.

Yes, but you have to remember that the Vietnamese - small of stature Asians that big white willy waving men think they are superior to - beat the US.

And you need to ask yourself (a) why and (b) whether the US is prepared to ever suffer such ignominy again. I would argue:

(a) China.
(b) Never.

For all the Bertie-Big-Balls act of successive US administrations, their dirty little secret is a deep terror of China. It was never the USSR It was China that pretty much told the US where the Korean war stopped, and China that meant the US couldn't use it's nukes in Vietnam. Which it assuredly would have if it thought it could get away with it.

It was China that Nixon gladhanded in the 70s (aided by the teeth of Heath) and that wasn't because he was working in alphabetical order.

I've already staked a fiver that the next feet to walk on the moon will be Chinese.

And China is slowly uniting Africa as we speak.

An old one from Denmark.

Thanks again RedToothBrush PMK

And China is slowly uniting Africa as we speak.

Indeed - building an empire on trade and infrastructure.

And China is slowly uniting Africa as we speak.

Is that a good thing, DGR?

And China is slowly uniting Africa as we speak.

Indeed - building an empire on trade and infrastructure.

Sounds like a great idea. I wonder how they came up with it ?

Winners can and usually are magnanimous towards the losers. The fact that the Brexiters aren't yet, tells me something

Yes I was thinking this today.

And China is slowly uniting Africa as we speak.

Is that a good thing, DGR?

Well, from an African perspective, the Chinese can hardly shit on them any harder than the West has for centuries.

And given this entire forum is devoted to the subject of Brexit where a majority of posters are proclaiming the advantages of being in a union over scrapping separately, I could hardly be as dimly hypocritical as to suggest that a unified Africa would be a bad thing. Although it would depend on your optics. It would certainly be a bad thing if it meant a unified and cohesive approach to exploiting natural resources and ensuring countries actually get a decent cut of the dosh and you are a US megacorp that made it's megabucks by getting said resources for a song.

But it might be a good thing for the environment, planet and population of Africa ?

How can you not love a country that calls yogurt "Sleepy milk" in Swahili (mziwi lala) ?

Oh, and bad for the UK. We're cuddling up to the wrong end of the compass. Needs to East, not West. Given how much US debt the Chinese hold ...

One of my “improving” holiday books (I try to take two improving to one trashy book) atm is The New Silk Roads by Peter Frankopan. Fascinating account of Chinese expansionism via the Belt and Road initiative.

India should have potential but resolutely refuses to sort itself out.
Africa does have potential by the western military industrial complex makes sure its distracted.

I am absolutely a fan of free trade and free movement.

Countries that try to isolate themselves will get left behind

India should have potential but resolutely refuses to sort itself out.

Is India a "country" though ? (Same question for "China" too).

Not such a stupid question, when you consider the "UK" claims to be a country internationally ....

Well DGR - I thought China was more or less a country because most people were Han Chinese. I don't know whether I am right on that.

India, is less so, because the north speak e.g. Hindu or Punjabi and the south are Tamils and others. The south uses a completely different script too.

Most people in eastern China are Han, but in the west there are Tibetans, Uighurs, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Turkmenis etc.

I wasn't counting Tibet - wasn't it illegally occupied? As for Uighurs - it's appalling what is happening there. Do these other people identify themselves as Chinese?

The nearest example I could think is that the Welsh and Scots can identify as British, but they don't call themselves English. (Whatever Johnson and cronies might like.)