For those of us quietly sad about leaving the EU.

[DioneTheDiabolist]

I'm not making a song and dance about it. I'm not falling out with anyone over it. I dont want to debate it. I'm just sad about it.

And that's ok.

Anyone else with me?

Are you lot still letting him distract you from sensible discussion ?

From what Johnson said today its looking like the hardest of hard Brexits

the exact opposite of what was promised before the vote.

So sad.
So pointless.

I think Mystery's wife and child moved here. Given how much he has bored me and embarrassed himself with his ignorance, I dont blame them. He is well bitter that the UK made it possible for them to have a safe and secure life away from him.

Now stop me-railing my thread with your attention seeking nonsense Mystery. Fuckity-bye and dont let the door hit your arse on the way out.

From what Johnson said today its looking like the hardest of hard Brexits

I’m going to have to find a transcript

He starts talking and my brain switches off...i think its all his waffling, i just hear ‘bollocks, bollocks, classical reference’

From what Johnson said today its looking like the hardest of hard Brexits

I'm not sure he'll bother. As a PP said, he is lazy and the EU aren't going to be as complacent as Sinn Fein/DUP were. He's got what he wanted, he's PM and will go into the history books as the man who took the UK out of Europe. He will probably resign in a couple of gaffes time and live the life he wants to live on the speech making/consultancy/celeb circuit.

Right. But without her child?

No longer a child at age 18

It can't be the hardest of Brexits can it (practically speaking) if we want to sell to the EU? Or can it?

UK exports to the EU were £291 billion in 2018 (45% of all UK exports).
(H of C library figures)

I can only assume that you are unwell. You don't seem capable of retaining the things you have written.

I genuinely find it impossible to listen to BJ speak. He's just so unspeakably awful.

I am 50 years old

I am still my fathers child

Thank fuck sunshine

I thought it was just me

Seashells
You can sell to people you do not have trade deals with - WTO rules
its just more expensive and time consuming.

Canada and Australia do not sell much in the way of fresh fruit and veg to the EU ....just saying

I am 50 years old

I am still my fathers child

Physically yes. Legally not as once 18 child is adult.

The thing about BJ is you cannot believe a word that comes out of his mouth. He has no integrity. He believes in nothing but his own sense of entitlement. He tells people what they want to believe and then does the same thing to different people.

This is not a negotiating strategy that will go down well with the EU. Of course he could just roll over and give them everything they want while telling the UK that this is a good deal for them.

Even a full on WTO brexit doesn't mean trade stops between the UK and EU.
The talk now is of a Australian deal, very basic, sector by sector, nothing on services, but will mean custom controls and tariffs.

As Javid said "there will be winners and losers" so no wonder he has told all Govt depts to find efficiencies.... Johnson's election promises have to paid for somehow or get dropped?

And then there's tariffs.

Tariffs are all pretty trivial now : few are over 10%.
Zero tariff deals on goods are very common.

Import VAT, clearance processing and safety certification are the much bigger hurdles in any new deal

let alone services which Johnson seems not to understand at all

In summary, your ex- wife has stayed in the UK with your 13 year old son despite her disillusionment with it but plans to leave when your son is 18? Your parents offered to look after your son so that she could return to her native country now but she declined in order to retain certain financial benefits (in your view).

So your son is not a legal adult for 5 years. If your ex wife left your son with your parents to return to her native country now she would be leaving without her child.

Are you able to see that your posts don't make sense?

Hmmm... 10% on a family car imported from EU is about £1,500 which will be passed on to the consumer.

Rousette
The hidden costs of leaving the single market will be in the impact on the Just In Time supply chain.

The engine block of a BMW crosses the channel 5 times before delivery.
If there is no proper trade agreement, VAT and clearance will be applied each time
or
BMW will stop using English factories .... job losses etc

I lived in Australia for a while and fresh food was very expensive when compared to here. I had always assumed it was because it had to travel a long way and I'm sure that's part of it but perhaps not all of it.

Rowena Mason in the Grauniad just now
Political journalists walked out of No 10 Downing Street this afternoon in protest at the government planning to give a briefing on the EU only to selected reporters - banning The Mirror, i, Huffington Post, PoliticsHome, Independent and others from attending.

Reporters on the invited list were asked to stand on one side of a rug in the foyer of No 10, while those not allowed in were asked by security to stand on the other side.

After one of Boris Johnson’s most senior advisers, Lee Cain, told the banned reporters they must leave the building, the rest of the journalists decided to walk out rather than allow Downing Street to choose who scrutinises and reports on the government.

Among those who refused the briefing and walked out included the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg, ITV’s Robert Peston and political journalists from the Daily Mail, Telegraph, the Sun Financial Times, and Guardian.

The briefing was due to be given by government officials, who are meant to be neutral, rather than political.

The tactics from No 10 mirror those of Donald Trump in the US who has been known to try to exclude journalists from reporting on his activities and represents an escalation of Johnson’s tensions with the media, which have been ramping up in recent weeks.

I would give quite serious money to sit down with Mystery's wife for a chat. I think it would be enlightening.

In summary, your ex- wife has stayed in the UK with your 13 year old son despite her disillusionment

We all lived in her native country till son was aged 4 and stepdaughter 16. Moved to UK for safety reasons and so Stepdaughter could obtain UK citizenship (she received UK passport on her 21st)

but plans to leave when your son is 18?

Yes. Son is adult in law and can do whatever he wishes. ExW will be late 50s then and is hoping her parents wil be still around when she returns to her native country.

Your parents offered to look after your son so that she could return to her native country now but she declined in order to retain certain financial benefits (in your view)

Yes. If she was genuinely unhappy why stay in the UK? Stepdaughter showed me the text from her mother about the tax credits, etc.

So your son is not a legal adult for 5 years

Just under 5 years.

If your ex wife left your son with your parents to return to her native country now she would be leaving without her child

Left both son and stepdaughter often, sometimes weeks at a time, in the early days of being in the UK as she could not settle (homesick). While she was awy Son and Stepdaughter stayed with my parents if I was out on the UK working or with me when on leaves.

@MrsTerryPratchett 100%!

I think the term is probably overused on MN but I will say that it's harder to gaslight people when everything is written down.

If there is no proper trade agreement, VAT and clearance will be applied each time

VAT is recoverable if imported goods are subsequently exported.