For those of us quietly sad about leaving the EU.

[DioneTheDiabolist]

I'm not making a song and dance about it. I'm not falling out with anyone over it. I dont want to debate it. I'm just sad about it.

And that's ok.

Anyone else with me?

Dione that is partly the reason I voted Remain, I couldn't see how our government would be able to sort out Brexit. Certainly haven't filled me with confidence so far

Absolutely, same here...in fact i think the phrase i used at the time included the words ‘piss up’ and ‘brewery’

I think Boris is bored with all of this, he won the PM race, he got Brexit through, he didn't die in a ditch. Now the hard work starts. He better have some very very good Ministers to do the actual hard work because he is lazy and the next few months are nothing but graft to sort trade deals, stop a no deal at the end of the year and do some bloody work to stop us turning into a shell of ourselves, and the cost of living breaking barriers when tariffs kick in, airfares rise, mobile phones, internet etc.

Financial institutions have already set up elsewhere in Europe,£800billion worth of assets have already left the UK, London was the financial capital of Europe. No more.
Dublin, Luxembourg, Frankfurst, Paris have mopped up the 332 financial services that have moved jobs out of London. Credit Suisse, HSBC, Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Barclays have gone to Dublin, Bank of America to Paris, the list is endless. And business investment has gone down by 11% already and we are not even at the end of the transition period. If we go no deal at the end of the year, it will be even worse.

And Brexiteers think it's all OK because they can wave their Brexit tea towel, or union jack and now they've got 'freedom'. Am I bitter?

Yes, very.

And Brexiteers think it's all OK because they can wave their Brexit tea towel, or union jack and now they've got 'freedom'. Am I bitter?

What prevents you from relocating? Did the institutions you listed not offer relocation for their UK based employees?

Ah yes, the old "just move" solution. As if packing up your life, leaving your extended family and friends, relocating your DC's schools, learning a new language, selling a house, renting or buying a property abroad, finding work for your spouse etc etc are all just trifling little inconveniences.

Your exDW and DC are in the UK I think you said? I can't imagine there are many of us who are looking to live in a different country to our DC.

I think the 'just move' responses are very telling as to who people think voted remain. I earn less than the average wage, I have a child with autism, I am not exactly in a great position to 'just move'. Technically my job is transferable, in reality not as much.

Advocates of the "just move" solution: assuming you were unhappy whilst we were part of the EU, why didn't you "just move" out to a non-EU country?

What prevents you from relocating? Did the institutions you listed not offer relocation for their UK based employees?

It isn't me, it's other family. I'm glad you think it's as simple as that. It's the Brexiteers answer to everything... just leave then. Families are far more complicated than that. To be frank, it's insulting for brexiteers to keep saying it to those who never wanted this. You may as well just say 'fuck off then, tough'.

And no comment from Mystery on the financial drain from this country, and then there's the scientific brain drain ... 11,000 Academics have left since 2016. And all you can say is... 'can't you move'. Laughable and shows up your arguments for what they are.

We are a nation ruled by liars, shirkers and charlatans, backed by the ignorant.

Ain't that the truth.

What prevents you from relocating?

Obviously you don't like the UK very much as you think nothing of 'relocating'. Perhaps some of us remainers don't want to leave their homes...

Ah yes, the old "just move" solution. As if packing up your life, leaving your extended family and friends, relocating your DC's schools, learning a new language, selling a house, renting or buying a property abroad, finding work for your spouse etc etc are all just trifling little inconveniences

Japan to Sunderland is a lot further than London to EU, but Japanese families were prepared to have a go way back in mid 80s. Long before internet and the easy methods of keeping in contact with families friends in other ever appeared.

As the World becomes smaller people need to go where the work appears. UK people too conservative and get homesick as soon as they are a few feet away from the doorstep

Advocates of the "just move" solution: assuming you were unhappy whilst we were part of the EU, why didn't you "just move" out to a non-EU country?

Of my 30+ years outside the UK, 29 were also outside the EU.

And no comment from Mystery on the financial drain from this country, and then there's the scientific brain drain ... 11,000 Academics have left since 2016. And all you can say is... 'can't you move'. Laughable and shows up your arguments for what they are

Scientists and Engineers have been leaving the UK for decades to seek opportunities with; German, Japanese and South Korean countries who realised that manufacturing and agriculture are the core of a stable economy that grows.

The shift to a pure service based economy is risky as very easy to relocate. Office space and telecommunications are all that is needed.

Perhaps some of us remainers don't want to leave their homes

As UK has left the EU, what other choice do remain supporters have if they want to remain in the EU?

As UK has left the EU, what other choice do remain supporters have if they want to remain in the EU?

Id say pretty much the same choice leave supporters had when they wanted to leave the EU...in farage and my fathers case many years

They bided their time and waited for their chance

Honestly, it's like interacting with my 3 year old.

"Put your shoes on please, your feet will get wet"

"Look Mummy! The cat is on the stairs!"

Avoid and distract.

What some Japanese families were prepared to do in the 80s is not relevant here.

You have chosen to live in a different country to your DC have you not? I'm not looking to do that. In any event my job is specific to England and Wales and I cannot practice abroad without retraining.

I can just see my dads face if everytime he said he wanted to be out of the EU i told him to fuck off to another continent

I wish id thought of it before now

(I know you didnt say fuck off mystery)

Id say pretty much the same choice leave supporters had when they wanted to leave the EU...in farage and my fathers case many years

I left UK in late 80s

My uncle left UK in early 70s

Both long before the explosion in EU membership when all the takers were allowed in.

Leave gained big momentum after 2004.

What some Japanese families were prepared to do in the 80s is not relevant here

Why? Their willingness to move where the work is might explain why they are a much larger economy than UK.

You have chosen to live in a different country to your DC have you not?

Those who work in UK armed forces often face the same. Just imagine if they refused to move? UK forces might not attract anyone at all.

Yeah

So the same choice...

Some people might want to leave, some People won’t

Yes just imagine if people who joined the navy for example didnt realise they could be posted anywhere

Gosh it probably came as a terrible shock when they signed up....not

(I know you didnt say fuck off mystery)

Both my father and grandfather voted to leave the EU in 1975.

My dad voted to stay

But you can’t mention that now...ds2 thinks its a bit triggering for him

But 1975 was a long time ago and obviously things have changed

I don't want to live in a different country to my DC so I didn't join the armed forces.

I might be wrong about this Mystery but I have this vision of you, a White man, somewhere between 50 and 60, sitting alone in a hotel room somewhere. DC a sort of distant reality, not something that needs to be dealt with and considered on a day to day basis because someone else (ex DW) does that. Ditto elderly relatives.

On the basis that I'm even vaguely in the right ball park you will never understand why this is such an issue for people because you are able to function so entirely without concern for others. If a new job comes up in a different town/country I can imagine you just pack a bag, book your plane ticket and off you go. No need to consider how the DC will be picked up from nursery, where they will go to school, whether they'll settle in a new environment, who will look after them in school holidays or if they are sick with no family support, whether your mother will cope with not seeing the grandkids. You can do exactly what you want, when you want.

You will never understand.

And I voted to stay in 1975. Yes, I'm that old. And it was an overwhelming majority of 68% to 32%. Not like 2016 and the close vote.