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Westminstenders: War and Weirdos

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RedToothBrush · 03/01/2020 21:34

With weirdos set to run No10 and Trump seemingly having started a new war in the Middle East, 2020 already looks set to be a cracking year.

To start off your year, it turns out that chinese curse about interesting times is actually a fallacy...

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times

Happy New Year.

May we make 2030...

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Mockers2020Vision · 06/01/2020 20:14

Report on BBC London News this evening about the latest Tory promise to rebuild what used to be my local hospital. Previously promised in 2011 (shelved) 2015 (shelved) and 2018 (shelved).

Shades of ending mixed-sex wards and bringing back matron, just keep promising it, the mugs will never cotton on, etc.

kinsss · 06/01/2020 20:29

There is "something of the night" about Cummings. Gawd who said that before about someone, my meno brain won't co-operate!

Mockers2020Vision · 06/01/2020 20:36

It was Widdy about Michael Howard.

(At least he never had pregnant women chained to radiators giving birth)

kinsss · 06/01/2020 20:39

Thanks Mockers2020, that's it!

yolofish · 06/01/2020 21:55

In (slight) defence of Howard, he was a very good constituency and absolutely charming in person.

DC arse - I wish I could unsee that, and agree with PP who said it was a disgrace to the office he holds. Nothing wrong with a bit of pomp and circumstance IMO, I really really dont want to see anyone's arse in public, let alone someone who is trying to shake up the world for his own benefit.

yolofish · 06/01/2020 21:56

constituency MP obvs

Peregrina · 06/01/2020 22:11

DC arse - I wish I could unsee that

I just don't know why the more old fashioned Tories put up with this - they were people who considered themselves a bit better, and this is letting the side down.

RedToothBrush · 06/01/2020 22:26

Alex Wickham@alexwickham
EXCLUSIVE:A senior Boris Johnson aide has said the UK will forge a “special relationship” with Viktor Orban's govt in Hungary after Brexit

Video and quotes from Tim Montgomerie's incendiary speech at a right-wing think tank in Budapest last month here >

www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/tim-montgomerie-viktor-orban-hungary-brexit?__twitter_impression=true

Here is Johnson aide Tim Montgomerie last month on how he wants the PM to have a “special relationship” with Orban’s Hungary after the UK leaves the EU

These remarks were not signed off by the PM or No10

Westminstenders: War and Weirdos
Westminstenders: War and Weirdos
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yolofish · 06/01/2020 22:26

totally agree peregrina at the risk of sounding like Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells! I think perhaps DC thinks he is just above manners, perhaps they are for little people who dont think like weirdos (to quote the job ad).

ListeningQuietly · 06/01/2020 22:31

I was talking to some people who know Chope well ....
Tory HQ were v unhappy that he was reselected as an MP but the blue rinse brigade insisted on keeping him ....
Friday afternoons will stay interesting for a while yet

RedToothBrush · 06/01/2020 22:43

Ian Dunt@iandunt
Hungary is a nationalist authoritarian state which has almost eradicated the independent press and made fair elections near-impossible. Tim Montgomerie says it exhibits "interesting early thinking on the limits of liberalism"

This was always the danger with Brexit. Not just the policy itself, but the way its victory would unleash some of the worst instincts in British politics. Now it is happening.

The Danube Institute, where he made these comments, is not a real think tank. It is de-facto controlled by Fidesz, part of a society wide infastructure intended to eradicate independent thought.

'Illiberal democracy'

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illiberal_democracy
^

An illiberal democracy, also called a partial democracy, low intensity democracy, empty democracy, hybrid regime or guided democracy, is a governing system in which although elections take place, citizens are cut off from knowledge about the activities of those who exercise real power because of the lack of civil liberties; thus it is not an "open society". There are many countries "that are categorized as neither 'free' nor 'not free', but as 'probably free', falling somewhere between democratic and nondemocratic regimes". This may be because a constitution limiting government powers exists, but those in power ignore its liberties, or because an adequate legal constitutional framework of liberties does not exist

And

Orbán listed Singapore, Russia, Turkey, and China as examples of “successful” nations, “none of which is liberal and some of which aren’t even democracies.”

The Russian Federation under Vladimir Putin has also been described as an illiberal democracy. Elections take place regularly, but many foreign observers (e.g. from the OSCE) do not consider them free or fair. The rate at which journalists have been murdered in Russia shows the limits of freedom of speech; most major television networks and newspapers are state-owned or influenced by the government and openly support parties that support the government during elections. Russia had also moved towards a period of democracy in the early 1990s, but whilst elections remain in place, state control of media is increasing and opposition is difficult.

A classic example of an illiberal democracy is Singapore. During the leadership of Lee Kwan Yew, Singapore acquired full independence, first from Britain and then from Malaysia in the 1960s. At that time, it was structured as a relatively liberal democracy, albeit with some internal security laws that allowed for detention without trial. Over time, as Singapore's ruling People's Action Party government consolidated power in the 1960s and 1970s, it enacted a number of laws and policies that curtailed constitutional freedoms (such as the right to assemble or form associations), and extended its influence over the media, unions, NGOs and academia.[citation needed] Consequently, although technically free and fair multi-party elections are regularly conducted, the political realities in Singapore (including fear and self-censorship) make participation in opposition politics extremely difficult, leaving the dominant ruling party as the only credible option at the polls.

Johnson wanted us to be more like Singapore.

Rights? What are those?

And this is where we are. Who would have predicted it.

No one could have. Apart from those of us who did.

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yolofish · 06/01/2020 22:46

Does anyone else think the spelling 'Montgomerie' is just the tiniest bit pretentious?

Peregrina · 07/01/2020 00:39

Well who would have thought it? It seems the Australian Govt is not rushing to do the UK any favours.

lonelyplanetmum · 07/01/2020 06:06

The whole Australia thing makes me laugh. The anti EU brigade seem to see Australia as a solution for all, despite the geographical inconvenience. The bonhomie is not hugely reciprocal.

We say everything Australian is great- eg their immigration system. Johnson's team even brought in the Aussie political digital analytical team to run the election campaign and emulate their election success.

Yet the Aussies sensibly look more to China. Former Labor foreign minister Bob Carr said the UK was too small a trading partner to pursue a free trade deal with.
'On trade the UK is not generating enough new demand to make it a big part of our future,'
'Trade with China, as it draws hundreds of millions more into its middle class, is the big opportunity for both UK and Australia, not trade with one another."

mathanxiety · 07/01/2020 06:32

Glad to find you all again.

The armed services member who is a friend of DS's is now in Kuwait.

mathanxiety · 07/01/2020 07:02

RTB I spent nine years beating back successive motions for contempt of court brought against me by my exH and stressing over many that he threatened but didn't file.

The first threat came before we were even divorced, when I was still represented by my (useless) lawyer, a threat to turn up with police in tow and force me to let him take the DCs for an alleged weekend visitation that he insisted should have been his, then file a motion for contempt against me - my lawyer had ample evidence of exH's true nature and the shape of things to come but chose to ignore it and failed me miserably, but more importantly failed my children.

I had no legal representation after divorce - was left answering exH's allegations on my own behalf. I spent hours typing answers to interrogatories from my own former husband, answering the charges he brought against me, with the threat of a spell in the county jail hanging over me if I couldn't fight him off.

In the end he filed his third motion plus a petition for an order of protection against me. I succeeded in getting an order for family therapy, and exH made such a poor impression on the therapist that she took what the judge characterised as the most unusual step, something he had never experienced before, of contacting him with her opinion of the usefulness of the youngest two DDs continuing visitation with exH. As a result of this therapist's letter and urgent message left on his clerk's answering machine the judge decided to appoint a guardian ad litem for the DDs, and the GAL's eventual report exonerated me completely from the charge of alienation that exH was trying to bring against me.

I couldn't believe the judge had fallen for any of the BS of exH, especially since he had on one occasion lost his temper in court and prompted the judge to send the bailiff to stand between me and him, but he is a lawyer and obv also a man - also a textbook abuser. Textbook meaning literally the stuff of university textbooks.

In the end the judge admitted to me in court that he had believed exH and he had the grace to apologise to me after denying exH's motions and his disgraceful petition for an order of protection against me. I held my tongue but I wanted to tear rashers off him. Because how do you get to be a judge in post divorce matters in family court and not see what is right there under your fucking nose for nine whole years? How do you call yourself a professional if you set about doing your job without ever cracking open a book on personality disorders, on domestic abuse and the forms it takes, on plausible abusers using the courts for their own malign agenda?

mathanxiety · 07/01/2020 07:03

Sorry for that rant, and for swearing.
I am grateful beyond words to that guardian ad litem.

mathanxiety · 07/01/2020 07:04

And obv to the therapist.

RedToothBrush · 07/01/2020 08:20

Math Flowers

Yes. Its awful.

I don't understand how detached from reality judges are.

I read my friends court file critically (with a view to treating it as if I was a third party who didn't know her) and its still there in black and white and nothing.

It's horrendous.

It's like the dark ages of a court system where it depends merely on the judge and the mood of the judge rather than anything to do with evidence.

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Grinchly · 07/01/2020 08:43

@squid4 ThanksThanksThanks

You have nothing to feel guilty for. Nothing.

I am ashamed beyond words at the traumatic conditions you and your colleagues have been put through. It is beyond outrageous.

Please take as much time as you need.

Math, RTB . Those stories from the family courts, here and in the US , are utterly horrendous.

TiddleTaddleTat · 07/01/2020 08:59

Pls

Mockers2020Vision · 07/01/2020 09:10

Trumpy deploys US bombers to UK base on Diego Garcia for his attacks on UN World Heritage sites in Iran, Iraq and possibly Manchester (Irwell, it's close enough.)

DGRossetti · 07/01/2020 11:24

Meanwhile it's hard to avoid the conclusion it's amateur hour in the US, as letters acknowledging US withdrawal are issued and then retracted ...

What is the internation legal situation when a country does not leave another country when asked ? I guess that's an invasion.

Peregrina · 07/01/2020 11:36

Reports now coming in of a big crush at Suleimi's funeral, leading to deaths and injury. He may have been a nasty piece of work, no one denies that, but killing him hasn't yet begat anything good.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/01/2020 13:58

Math 💐
What a dreadful experience for you
And how outrageous that judges are taken in by abusers, especially when they even show their true colours in court

So many women must run out of strength
I suppose the abusive man then wins in court, either getting the kids and / or the women returning,
or the women giving up all financial claims - which is sometimes the point.