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Westminstenders: War and Weirdos

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RedToothBrush · 03/01/2020 21:34

With weirdos set to run No10 and Trump seemingly having started a new war in the Middle East, 2020 already looks set to be a cracking year.

To start off your year, it turns out that chinese curse about interesting times is actually a fallacy...

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times

Happy New Year.

May we make 2030...

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BlackeyedSusan · 13/01/2020 11:12

2005 seems about five minutes ago FFS.

Peregrina · 13/01/2020 11:19

ours spiked in what was at the time called the baby-bulge

Quite. What my parents always called it. By 1951 when I was born it was regarded as being over.

We had the swinging sixties, long before the Americans got their act together. Except that the Liverpool sound was influenced by black American bands, but I don't think they were mainstream.

Peregrina · 13/01/2020 11:29

I am talking about the late 1940s bulge, not a secondary 1960s one. Mind you the good result of the 40s boom, for those of us born in the 50s is that a lot of us had nice new schools to go to.

malylis · 13/01/2020 11:31

Chuck Berry and Little Richard and others were definitely mainstream, as was Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis

A lot of the swinging 60s stuff (hippies etc) came out of the US peace and civil rights movement and from the older beatnik culture

Mockers2020Vision · 13/01/2020 11:36

That was why young Brian Epstein used to hang around the Liverpool docks. He was after US 45s brought back by merchant seamen to sell in NEMS basement.

(amongst other things.)

DGRossetti · 13/01/2020 11:49

Not dissing the 'Pool, but London didn't do so badly in the blues boom stakes either.

Peregrina · 13/01/2020 11:55

However, the leading lights of the Swinging Sixties weren't the 'bulge' generation - they were war time babies. I am not quite sure what this tells us, except that they were coming of age when the country had got back on its feet again.

ListeningQuietly · 13/01/2020 11:55

PMK, nothing positive to say

DGRossetti · 13/01/2020 11:58

However, the leading lights of the Swinging Sixties weren't the 'bulge' generation - they were war time babies. I am not quite sure what this tells us, except that they were coming of age when the country had got back on its feet again.

The recent Keith Richards bio on BBC4 had him recalling the end of sugar rationing and his generation gorging themselves sick on sweets.

My DM (a few years old than KR) had an incredibly sweet tooth (with associated weight struggles), and used to say that it was a result of never having a chocolate bar till the 50s.

Peregrina · 13/01/2020 12:05

My late DM too had an absolute craze for sweets, and hence indulged us, to the detriment of our teeth. It might be hard to believe but rationing lasted until 1954 and actually got worse after the war.

So those Leavers who talk about 'we managed during the war', do they really want to see food rationed again - although sugar rationing would be no bad thing.

DGRossetti · 13/01/2020 12:11

although sugar rationing would be no bad thing.

Nooooooo !!!!! How else can I make my own spirits ?

BigChocFrenzy · 13/01/2020 12:46

In case anyone is thinking Trump & co wouldn't really be crazy enough to want a major war ....

https://news.sky.com/story/trumps-reckless-middle-east-rampage-makes-mad-bushs-rush-to-war-look-thoughtful-11906088

Trump's advisers on Iran include key players like Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Vice President Mike Pence.

Both believe there is a battle between good and evil that will end with the "Rapture" - following an apocalyptic war in the Middle East,

Jesus Christ will return to Israel, bestowing eternal redemption to Christians, who will be "raptured" or ascended, into heaven.

Jews, however, will be punished.

Pompeo and Pence embrace the idea of a biblical prophecy to mark the end times,
which must be brought about by an escalation of violence in the Middle East.

Pompeo has been particularly open about his beliefs.

Peregrina · 13/01/2020 12:52

Both believe there is a battle between good and evil that will end with the "Rapture" - following an apocalyptic war in the Middle East,

What makes me laugh about this, is that they are quite sure that they will be the ones caught up in the Rapture. I recall reading a book on this theme, where the author said words to the effect that you could be a passenger in a car, and suddenly the driver noticed that his passenger was missing (caught up in the rapture.) I thought to myself, it might work the other way - suddenly the passenger noticed that there was no driver and they were about to crash.

Basically, it's hogwash.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/01/2020 12:52

During the 6-day war in 1967,
the head master at my primary school was - joyfully Hmm - telling us all that if the war exploded the Middle East then Jesus Christ might be returning to earth

Alarming enough for a school head to be praying for WW3 and the End of Times
Someone with the power to actually bring that about .....

BigChocFrenzy · 13/01/2020 12:53

He was good at scaring the crap out of kids
He used the cane and slipper too, for that

DGRossetti · 13/01/2020 13:27

Could be worth it's own thread ...

metro.co.uk/2020/01/13/man-gets-brexit-surprise-on-invoice-for-new-mercedes-benz-12038546/

metro.co.uk
Man gets 'Brexit surprise' on invoice for new Mercedes-Benz
Emma BrazellMonday 13 Jan 2020 8:01 am
3-4 minutes

A man has no idea how much he will end up paying for his new Mercedes-Benz after a ‘Brexit disclaimer’ was put on it.

John Hamill, 65, completed his order on Thursday, only to be handed an invoice with a stamp that said the price could change any time up to delivery day, should a customs duty tariff be put on cars imported into the UK after leaving the EU.

The retired company director, from Hamilton in Scotland, was not told the cost could change prior to putting down a £500 deposit.

He says staff were also unable to give him a firm date of delivery, meaning he could be waiting until May to know the final price.

John told Metro.co.uk: ‘I ordered the car, I paid the £500 deposit and then they handed me the invoice – and that’s when I found out the price I’ll finally be paying is actually unknown. You couldn’t miss the big stamp.

‘You would think they’d tell me this before, but they didn’t.’

He added: ‘They couldn’t give me an estimate of how much the price could go up by because they don’t know what’s happening.’

‘Normally it would be delivered at the end of March. They’re saying it could be April or May.

‘So not only do we not know the price, we don’t know the delivery day. They’d usually be able to tell you but they can’t even do that.’

However, John believes his car is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to ‘Brexit surprises’.

He said: ‘I was not very happy when I ordered the car. But in the grand scheme of things, it’s just one small thing and how many other things are happening that we don’t know about? Things that are much more serious.’

‘I think the slogan “Get Brexit Done” was very simplistic but the reality will prove something more difficult.’

‘People don’t know these things. I’ve watched the Brexit debates happen over about three and a bit years.

‘I’ve been paying attention to everything that’s happened, but they basically tell you nothing.

‘The government isn’t disclosing exactly what’s happening. It’s only when things like these turn up that you actually find out.’

Mercedes-Benz is likely to not be the only car manufacturer looking to protect profit margins by putting pricing disclaimers on cars as the UK prepares for Brexit.

This month, the UK’s car industry body called on Boris Johnson to secure a frictionless, tariff-free trade deal with the EU which avoids barriers for businesses.

In a statement, Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders CEO Mike Hawes said: ‘UK car production is export-led, so we look forward to working with the new government to deliver an ambitious trade deal with the EU.

‘That deal needs to be tariff-free and avoid barriers to trade, which, for automotive, means that our standards must be aligned.’

A spokesperson from Mercedes-Benz told Metro.co.uk: ‘The information on Mr Hamill’s order form is to notify customers that should a customs duty tariff become applicable on cars imported into the UK after leaving the EU, we will review our pricing to adapt to the changed circumstances.’

Westminstenders: War and Weirdos
BigChocFrenzy · 13/01/2020 13:31

This is the sort of thing squid has been telling us about the NHS:

'I'm being asked to take bloods while patients are on the floor'

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/12/asked-take-bloods-patients-floor-nurse-corridors-wards-short

Nurse tells of stress of staffing corridors around A&E, leaving wards dangerously short

Safety fears as hospitals redeploy nurses to care for patients in corridors

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/12/safety-fears-hospitals-redeploy-nurses-care-patients-in-corridors

Overcrowding forces ward staff to spend part of shift looking after patients without a bed

howabout · 13/01/2020 13:39

DGR non-story. The EU and UK both confirming will ratify WA before Jan 31.

No wonder the car industry is struggling to sell cars. Quite surprised a retired company director ponies up for the deposit on a new out the box Merc before reading the small print. I wouldn't much to the car salesman's consternation. He was similarly put out when I actually wanted to pay money at all.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/01/2020 13:48

"non-story" ?

What happens on 1 January 2021 - less than a year away - if the govt has only its bare bones tariffs & quotas deal after Brexit ?

BigChocFrenzy · 13/01/2020 13:50

re concerns about the effects of a US trade deal:

It's not just lower US standards / regulations about food to worry about
It's regs about all kinds of consumer products that increase risks, including of cancer ....

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/09/black-women-hair-products-chemicals-risks

A new landmark study that tracked almost 47,000 American women over eight years has found that
using permanent hair dye increases a black woman’s risk of breast cancer by 45%,
compared to an increased risk of 7% in white women.
......
“In Europe they care much more about quality, safety and good health.
Here it’s mostly about business and money.”

DGRossetti · 13/01/2020 13:50

DGR non-story.

I didn't write it.

The EU and UK both confirming will ratify WA before Jan 31.

That's nice, but not what the non story was about, or why I posted it.

howabout · 13/01/2020 13:51

The Merc owner reckons he will have his new car by May 2020 at the latest. AFAIK he isn't buying a new one next year Bigchoc

I would be surprised if the December 2020 "cliff edge" materialises but November 2020 is time enough for that "story".

Mockers2020Vision · 13/01/2020 13:53

Steve Baker on Daily Politics saying there's nothing wrong with US food.

Well, there is, but it's about more than food safety. The US side refuses to acknowledge this. We also have concerns about environmental protection and animal welfare. Chlorine chicken is necessary when your chickens live up to their drumsticks in their own shit, because it's cheaper that way.

howabout · 13/01/2020 13:55

DGR import tariffs are a non-issue until Dec 2020 once the WA is ratified and so the invoice "warning stamp" is irrelevant.

What is your point?

If it's that car dealers are trying not to sell cars or maximise trade deal pressure on Govt via well-heeled potential new car buyers then I agree.

DGRossetti · 13/01/2020 13:57

The Mercedes story is just a concrete example of how FUD are going to gouge consumers for the next decade or so.

At the risk of appearing ageist/patronising/condescending or just plain thick, a question for people who lived through decimalisation (which was a planned and carefully conducted exercise) is how long after the switch did shops stop using it as an excuse to hike prices ? I was a bit too young (although I can remember counting in Lsd)

Mind you, with the rollback of metrication, we might as well roll back decimalisation. Using the same logic too.

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