Brexit Arms - Out with the old and in with the new

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It’s time again for another Brexit Arms thread to see us into Christmas and beyond.

Well what a week it’s been!!

Boris has now completed his first week and he’s been busy. New conservatives have been sworn in, the Queens Speech yesterday shows promise (aware that the proof of the (Xmas) pudding is in the eating) and Boris’ Deal is going to be voted on today with the results being around 3pm I believe.

Meanwhile, on the other side all four wheels have definitely fallen off the red bus and were very nearly joined by a garden gate and a car door. Oh dear!!

Anyway, I have added a few more Christmas decs to the pub and popped the fairy back on the tree (it took a nasty tumble)

We are now good to go.
Cheers all 🍷🍷

Ps. If anyone wants to volunteer for outside catering that would be👍🏻

“No action like this is without risk. The question is whether the inevitable backlash is a price worth paying for preventing an even greater cost. Soleimani seems to be generally regarded as the mastermind behind so many deaths that there was only one way, in the end, to stop him.”

Can’t disagree with this comment!

Developing story of a potential rocket attack on the US Embassy...

twitter.com/joyce_karam/status/1213505187270270978?s=21

Just Confirmed by Sky News.

Correction Sky news have confirmed attack, not that it was on the embassy specifically.

Evening All. A bit shitty out there right now - normally we'd be relating that to the weather. So much stuff going on - gulps Pint of Best presented without word - only last week my mate Greta was lashing my brain with "you know damn well Hate it's warm for the season".

And we get through the enforced Festivity Period, intact and unscathed. Thinking just a bit of Brexity stuff to look forward to as major considerations.

And then Whoosh, all I can say is that I (or those that need to) should be provided with very persuasive evidence that this specific action was required.

I only heard it once on the Radio today, so hopefully true, that the Iranian response will be specifically non-violent and to disrupt Oil Shipments in the Straits of Hormuz.

And a packet of Twiglets (Orginal) with my next Pint please.

From reading today's Times, QS's ICRG/Quds group seems to have been actively involved in fanning the flames of Sunni/Shi'ia conflict from Yemen to Syria, via Saudi. He seems to have been a wrong 'un, and I can't lament his passing, but don't like the manner of his despatch. Better a serious court room with all due process properly observed.

Yes I agree X-M, and most of the retaliations are due to sub-groups, of groups that may, or may not have been supported directly or indirectly by Soleimani's assanition.

And then there is Turkey. Flexing it's muscles all over the place - it does make me chuckle a bit when the UK-haters refer to historical British Empire-creation whilst also not refering to the expansionism of the Ottoman Empire, which is very current.

Better a serious court room with all due process properly observed. In theory, sure, but in practice, wasn't ever going to happen.

Morning, all,

It's Sunday and we had hoped for a relatively calm weekend before the HoC reconvenes on Tuesday, ready and raring to go. Not quite as planned, then.

Better a serious court room with all due process properly observed. In theory, sure, but in practice, wasn't ever going to happen.

Yes, there was no chance of that. Soleimani was mired in the corruption at the top. He was a rogue actor in a rogue state, answerable to no one.

Boris is flying back today. The Iranians say they have targeted 37 American sites. The Americans say they have targeted 52 Iranian sites. World opinion is divided but Canadian Iranians, among others, are rejoicing. The rocket strikes caused five casualties but, thankfully, no deaths. All we can do is watch and wait.

The kettle, as always, is on in the Brexit Arms and this morning's breakfast tray offers Welsh rarebit on sourdough toast. Please help yourselves ☕️☕️☕️

this will probably bring out haters, but oh well.

I had been hoping Brexit would take us to more of a focus on domestic policy. Now, as well as politicians wasting three years on ....obstruction? obfuscation? denial? - we will have a lot of time taken off domestic policy again.

The Brexit vote also gave me some confidence that perhaps ordinary Janes like me were a bit pissed off with international stage politics but in reality, politicians are going to ....politic. Ugh.

It’s Ok Autumn. The haters are still out anyway, convincing themselves that this potential war is somehow the fault of us MN brexiters. Brilliant. You could not make this stupid illogical batshittery up could you? They will hate on you whatever you say and they very much love to square circles. So don’t worry about it! I’m kind of embarrassed for them at this point, truth be told.

Morning All.

Morning all.

Of course it’s our fault that Trump killed someone no one had ever heard of.

Tea anyone?

Southpark has it well covered imo.

we will have a lot of time taken off domestic policy again.

I'm not so sure about that, Autumn. I think we are moving to a chaired-style of government where individual departments have their priorities and targets and will get on with them, subject to overall coordination. Theresa May was by all accounts a micro-manager and generally cautious to the point of stultifying checkmate with the occasional flash of Bold Theresa. To be fair to her, she couldn't really progress to the domestic agenda while Brexit was taking up all her time and energy but even if it hadn't, her nature of leadership (I use the term loosely) meant nothing much would get done quickly without endless second guessing and repeated checking.

There will always be world events. It's not so long ago that Kim Jong Un and Donald Trump seemed to be seconds away from mutual destruction (and I still have concerns about KJU's most recent announcements) but even that is taking a back seat for the moment to what's happening in Iraq (and Iran). In the meantime, the NHS, housing, knife crime, crime generally, farmers' concerns, flooding, these are still ongoing and still require attention.

Morning, Epic. Just resign yourself to the fact that we are by definition of our voting choices evil, bigots and probably warmongers to boot. Any time we demonstrate (a) common sense, (b) a grasp of any domestic or foreign policy issue, or (c) disagreement with anyone who is right of Jezza's worldview, it will be dismissed as a fluke. Even if we do that a lot.

Morning, Dirty, a builder's brew please if you are offering.

Morning all.
Weak tea and some of that Welsh rarebit please.
I wish I had realised just how powerful we were.
Just by voting to leave the EU 3 years ago we seem to be starting a war. Who knew.🤷🏼‍♀️

I wonder what other miraculous powers we have?

Yeah! Thanks Dirty! A good, strong, sweet cuppa over here too please. Can I be cheeky and ask for a hobnob? I was kindly offered a jammy dodger elsewhere, but It likely tasted of bitterness and bullshit, so I gave it a swerve.

dirty "Of course it’s our fault that Trump killed someone no one had ever heard of."

IKR?!! It's like someone barging into my flat and complaining about how their block of flats in Newcastle is badly run and it must be my fault.

Lily those things do all need attention, but sadly I think they will continue to be ignored while politicians play these games.

someone will undoubtedly turn up and scream "do you want us all to be nuked to hell". To anticipate that, I say - yes, please, show me the button. Some advance warning would be nice because we'd know not to go to work etc.

Breakfast looks fab by the way.

Just by voting to leave the EU 3 years ago we seem to be starting a war.

Morning, Copper - in fairness, David Cameron did warn us that by leaving, there would be war but he meant between France and Germany. Even he, sitting in his shepherd's hut whistling tunelessly, never thought to mention that our leaving would prompt Iran into using Iraq as a proxy battle site with the US. Possibly because he believed that Leave voters were too thick to know the difference between Iraq and Iran. Anyway, that type of lazy stereotype belongs in the special enclosure at the back of the pub, along with the ferrets and extensive collection of flat caps. I'm sick of telling that Keir bloke to stop asking for the password.

Found these under the bar, Epic. Help yourself.

I am a pragmatic remainer and will always think staying in the EU was (is) the safest path for this country.
I will never accuse ordinary leave voters to have voted for a war! The cynic in me though has always been convinced that politicians will use/ manipulate brexit to their own ends. Not because of some well-meaning desire to look after the British people properly.
And I do worry that DC may be right when he warns of tensions between France and Germany. Left facing each other without a third senior influence like the UK, they make for a very awkward couple. I know both countries very well and don't think a French-German duet is tenable in the long run. As always, that's also bound to affect the UK whether it likes it or not.

I know both countries very well and don't think a French-German duet is tenable in the long run.

I don't disagree with you on that, Songs. I don't know much about Germany apart from what I have read in the history books but I know France well too. The mistrust of Germany still runs deep there. How could it not? The war is still within living memory whether people like it or not and the reminders are all around them.

I think the two will continue to fight for dominance of the EU. That's not going to stop. However, where I differ from you is that I don't believe we were ever going to be reconciled to being part of that, even as a sort of in-house referee.

Europe is our closest neighbour and events there will always affect us one way or another, just as our actions will affect the EU27 by virtue of the fact that we are on the doorstep. Fact of life. But I don't want to refight the referendum argument. We are leaving. Also a fact of life. No reason, though, why we can't be a good friend and a good neighbour.

“I am a pragmatic remainer and will always think staying in the EU was (is) the safest path for this country.
I will never accuse ordinary leave voters to have voted for a war!”

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No one accused brexiters of 'voting for a war' fgs

Plenty of people tho warned of the consequences of needing that deal with the US post-brexshit, that it would make us even bigger puppets of whoever's in the Whitehouse than we usually are.

“No one accused brexiters of 'voting for a war' fgs”

No. YOU didn’t. HTH.