Westminstenders: Penny dropping time

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Johnson already seems to be hinting at protections for workers rights and the environment that he promised are to be dropped.

Along with enshrining Brexit in law to the end of Dec 2020 thus creating another Brexit no deal date. This time without any safety net in parliament.

"won't Johnson be more liberal than he suggested" they cry

About that...

Any news on when the PLP are going to grow a pair ?

The US has superpower muscle and monopolies on some tech. The UK doesn't

With the fact that China is rapidly making that irrelevant. Look at the ongoing Huawei spat. If the UK kowtows (and I use that word quite deliberately ) to Lord Trump and excludes Huawei, then the UK is not getting a 5G network. And neither is the US.

Ah but will voters care or even know about something they've never had and that of course their NDN won't have either

Only businesses
but "Fuck business"

I see Matt Hancock is the latest to back peddle on the nurses pledge. How many broken promises and prevarications is that so far? It's not even been a full week since the election!
I wonder if they'll get through the lot by Christmas?

I hadn't seen Matt Hancock row back on the nurses pledge, but it ought to be a matter of common sense that it's going to take at least 4 years for it to come about, unless we of course, try a quick fix and encourage overseas applicants. The Indians might be happy with visa wavers for nursing staff.

I will leave aside the immorality of taken medical staff from countries whose need is greater than ours.

I will leave aside the immorality of taken medical staff from countries whose need is greater than ours

I’ll consider it immoral when Australia and N Zealand stop taking our newly trained doctors, thus allowing their student debt to be written off. The Philippines quite deliberately train more nurses than they need specifically for export.

All countries are free to take any British graduate, whether a medic or in any other field

• and more importantly any British graduate has the freedom to leave the UK and work abroad May this always contin ue

It was my immediate thought when loans were first brought in: that it would encourage a brain drain to escape debt

My only surprise is that more haven't left

• escape debt, escape the system of instant class / accent judgement, better pay, usually cheaper housing, usually better weather .....

Developing countries are a different matter
However, many of them are desperate to export young workers, even graduates, when there are insufficient suitable jobs
If they stay, they might breed revolution

India, for e.g. annually produces about 1 million graduates in engineering alone
Hence why their FTA negotiations with the EU discussed more visas - and these negotations can now proceed without the Uk blocking that

@TatianaLarina best to ignore but do report anything that breaches guidelines.

Any chance that posters can stop bickering? Every time I step away from these threads for a while I come back to find post after post of bickering. It's fairly recent but bloody unpleasant. This used to be where I'd come for knowledgable posts, reasoned debate, shared concerns, shared hope, and to find out what's happening. Now it's like a high school playground and seems to be taking on brexit arms-esqueness. Emotions are high, people are worried, and tempers a little frayed but come on, westminstenders is above that shit surely?

www.smh.com.au/world/europe/comatose-tony-blair-hits-out-at-jeremy-corbyn-over-labour-s-massive-defeat-20191218-p53lav.html

London: Tony Blair has warned his defeated Labour party that they will remain "marooned on fantasy island" and will be finished and replaced if they don't expel Jeremy Corbyn's hard-left socialism, which voters emphatically rejected last week.

Labour's last election-winning prime minister told an audience in London that the crumbling of the red wall - seats in the north and midlands, including the loss of his constituency Sedgefield to the Tories, was "no ordinary defeat" but "a moment in history”.

Blair said that under Corbyn, "the takeover of the Labour Party by the far left turned it into a glorified protest movement, with cult trimmings, utterly incapable of being a credible government".

He likened Labour to a football team, "whose striker was directionally oblivious, its midfield comatose, the defence absent in the stand chatting to a small portion of the fans and its goalkeeper behind the net retweeting a clip of his one save in a 9-0 thrashing."

"Any fool can promise everything for free," Blair said.

This is absolutely NOT how to tackle vile racism and Nazis 🤦🏻‍♀️

Disgraceful and irresponsible for an MP - Labour in this case - to advocate vigilante attacks

Report and let the police and courts do their job of locking up these moronic Hitler Youth scum
Don't put the police in more danger

https://www.indy100.com/article/jewish-mp-nazi-heads-kicked-in-charlotte-nichols-9249921

A Jewish MP has refused to apologise for saying that she hopes football fans making Nazi salutes get “their heads kicked in”.

Charlotte Nichols, the newly-elected Labour MP for Warrington North, defending her stance saying:

"As a Jewish person whose grandfather fought in World War 2, ultimately sometimes I believe that fascism has to be physically confronted."

< non-violent demonstrations & boycotts against them, good, that's democracy in action, show that Nazi scum are not wanted
Kicking heads in - that's mob rule >

Blair also advised everyone before the GE to vote tactically to keep out the Tories

So he thinks BJ / Tories are even worse then Corbyn
So does his fellow former PM John Major

Funny you never post that

Blair seems to regard the current Tories as dangerous to the country,
whereas Labour are a pathetic opposition to them, completely failing to do their job

So
dangerous vs pathetic

and the LDems are irrelevant at the moment

If they choose Layla as leader, they may once again be able to fit all their MPs into a phone box

As much as I’m underwhelmed when an ex pm is wheeled out he’s not wrong.

And pathetic is a bad place to be against BJ / Cumming

BigChoc

You really don’t understand politics at all. The fact that Major and Blair came out against Boris was immensely helpful to him, since it allowed him to position himself not only against Corbyn’s extremism, but against both the Labour and Tory establishment of the previous generation that has become hugely unpopular, especially in the areas he was targeting. Their intervention probably helped swing a number of seats in his favour that he might not otherwise have won!

The Philippines quite deliberately train more nurses than they need specifically for export.

This is absolutely what we should be doing - pay something back to the countries of the Commonwealth. The Commonwealth that we have now become so fond of.

Cendrillon You really don't understand that "might doeosn't mean right"

Yes you won
As you've told us a hundred times

Doesn't mean BJ isn't a racist
Doesn't mean he isn't a danger to the country

Winning doesn't wash away any of that

Trump winning doesn't make his actions and words morally OK, even if he is never impeached and wins a second term
Orbán will probably win his next election too
So will Putin

That doesn't make them right

Some very popular leaders have been convicted in international courts of crimes against humanity
Their supporters counted for nothing

Meant to say it for a while, but they drop out of sight after a taunting. Every time I see Cendrillon I can't help but think of Carillion . Are they by any chance related ? We should be told

You really don't understand that "might doeosn't mean right"

Since a one-word summary of the British Constitution might read “The Crown in Parliament is sovereign”, your point doesn’t really obtain in our constitutional system.

I'm just old enough to remember the aftermath of the "unofficial" slogan of
"if you want a ni@@er for a neighbour, vote Labour" at Smethwick in the 1964 GE

To be blunt, it gained the Tories a big swing that won them that Labour seat, compared to a swing to Labour across the rest of the country
Far worse, the Klu Klux Klan set up shop there and there were attacks on people of colour, which is how the word spread even to kids like me

Winning against the nationwide swing didn't make those Smethwick Tories right,

Fortunately, it was rejected as a policy by the then One Nation Tory party as a whole and was not repeated

Since a one-word summary of the British Constitution might read “The Crown in Parliament is sovereign”, your point doesn’t really obtain in our constitutional system.

One word summary ? Are you German ?

I'm just old enough to remember the aftermath of the "unofficial" slogan of "if you want a ni**er for a neighbour, vote Labour" at Smethwick in the 1964 GE

I wonder if posting a copy of the poster from that campaign would attract a delete/ban hammer ?

Johnson of course, is now babbling on about 'One Nation Conservatism' but he needs to practice what he is preaching. There is no sign that he is about to do so. A lot of us centrist/slightly left could live with genuine one nation conservatism.