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Is No Deal Brexit going to happen anyway?

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CurlyWurlyTwirly · 17/12/2019 08:10

So Boris has got his blue scarves minions in place.
He’s going to pass a law this week to stop Brexit being delayed beyond 31st January 2020 and the transition period no longer than 31st December 2020

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-boris-johnson-leave-eu-remain-nhs-a9249341.html

So given how little Bojo cares for details. We may well crash out with no deal, as the current government won’t bother negotiating any with the EU.

(The turkeys voted for Christmas. Now here comes the stuffing).

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EmmaGrundyForPM · 17/12/2019 21:14

is anyone watching BBC2 right now?

CactusAndCacti · 17/12/2019 21:26

If leavers knew exactly what they were voting for, why can you never get a straight answer when you ask them what the benefits of leaving are?

I'm not sure that a huge number even understand what no deal means or what the implications are and certainly no-one is pointing it out.

I have a feeling though that when if this goes tits up the MP's will simply say 'but I was just representing your views' It won't be their fault it will be the fault of the people.

No deal looks very likely, despite the easiest deal in history.

Snowy111 · 17/12/2019 22:09

Emma is it worth watching on catch up?

EmmaGrundyForPM · 18/12/2019 05:28

it was fascinating. But then I love all the "behind the scenes" stuff. I've just read Craig Oliver's book "Unleashing Demons" which wasn't very well.written but really interesting. It makes you realise why Leave won.

MysteryTripAgain · 18/12/2019 05:40

No deal will not happen because whoever let it happen would be held responsible for the chaos

No deal was sanctioned by all EU Members when article was passed in 2009. So if no deal turns out to be a disaster then every EU member is to blame for allowing it to happen.

MysteryTripAgain · 18/12/2019 05:44

They still want a WTO Brexit
even though the WTO has ceased to

Pixxie7 · 18/12/2019 06:00

@continuityerror totally agree, but we will see. I think we are all in for a rocky ride but that’s democracy for you.

BlaueLagune · 18/12/2019 07:43

I don't think it will be no deal. The fact that they are now talking about reinterpreting EU law etc means they definitely aren't going for regulatory alignment in any way (so those of us who thought a larger majority might mean a softer Brexit were wrong). So it will be a very bare bones agreement, just so that both sides can say that they have one.

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CurlyWurlyTwirly · 18/12/2019 07:44

@EmmaGrundyForPM

What were you watching on catchup?

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Parker231 · 18/12/2019 07:47

The EU are already saying that if Boris is restricting the time available, any trade deal will be very basic. The EU haven’t missed any deadlines, only the UK.

Peregrina · 18/12/2019 09:49

I don't think Boris Johnson wants a trade deal with the EU. Whether he is forced into accepting one as the price of keeping jobs in this country is a different matter.

FUSOI · 18/12/2019 10:57

CurlyWurlyTwirly
""(The turkeys voted for Christmas. Now here comes the stuffing).""

A lot of those turkeys have been stuffed for decades, left to rot and forgotten about. They care not a jot for the rest that cred nothing about them.

Snowy111 · 18/12/2019 14:33

Fusoi that’s very true. In this election I would have liked to seen the chance of a fairer more equal society, but there’s little chance of this happening now. And Brexit certainly won’t improve the lives of those already struggling badly.

YeOldeTrout · 18/12/2019 16:29

Sabine Weyand ( my hero... ) is the one who advised about a 'bare bones deal'. I'm trying to figure out what that means, I imagine it must mean

No EHIC
No regulatory alignment (so No ECJ and lots of customs checks)
No cap on data roaming charges
No itelligence cooperation, no high security satellite data, no part in Eur.Space Agency

What else am I missing?

FUSOI · 18/12/2019 17:25

Snowy111

A lot have been here before they know whats coming and this lot they can't help themselves, so it holds no surprises.

So when the remainers start patronising people that voted leave in labour north when the shit starts theres absolutely no need, because most of them will have a big smirk on their faces.
Society is where it is because of decades of voting "I only care about myself" not because of last week.

Whowantstogotothepark · 18/12/2019 23:21

A lot of Brexiters are saying that it was 'Easy' for BJ to negotiate a "new" deal with EU precisely b/c Johnson was resolute. Someone just needed to be firm with EU to get what UK wants. So being firm with EU will make sure UK gets everything they want.

Boris Johnson folded. He was not firm, he just shafted the DUP and gave the EU what they originally wanted. I think that shows his style: talk tough, but take the easiest decision politically at the time.

Peregrina · 19/12/2019 00:40

FUSOI - a lot of Leavers were in the Tory south, places which have returned Tories for decades. I don't know who you are or how old you are, but are you old enough to remember Thatcher and 'There's no such thing as Society.'? The southern Tories being more moneyed, will be able to ride out the worst of any financial suffering, and I doubt whether they will think twice about the new Tory voters in the north. Or if they do think about them, it will be to whine that they are having money spent on them, if Johnson bothers to do that.

FUSOI · 19/12/2019 07:51

Peregrina

Watched Thatcher The Tax Dodger destroy 1000's of families lives, good decent working people, more comminly known / depicted as Scum by Tories.

Tories thinking about them will be with wine (not whining) and laughing their heads off. Its no coincidence taht some of the most deprived areas saw drops of double digits and lower turnout levels and have Tory MP's.

The point is Labour has done nothing for them, so the reality from their perspective nothing is going to change. The economy is now 80% service based and it mostly held up with house prices and debt, hence the ever increasingly desperate scramble to continue the trend.
There is no Society, no safety net, and as always the ones that have benefitted most will get away scot free, the ones in the middle that have happily taken the bribes will bear the brunt when it goes tits up and will as always again blame the poorest as they did the last time.

Peregrina · 19/12/2019 09:12

FUSOI

I don't disagree with any of that, but honestly, how do you expect the same party, who are even more greedy and selfish than the Thatcherites were, to be their saviours?

Or you don't, and we are in fact arguing the same position in our own ways? It grieves me to see the rights fought for, to bring in decent and safe working and living conditions are being squandered or deliberately trashed by the Bullingdon boy.

Peregrina · 19/12/2019 09:14

But yes, New Labour didn't do much for those communities - but they were Tory Lite IMO and old Labour did take their voters for granted.

FUSOI · 19/12/2019 11:04

Peregrina

Sorry obviously didn't make myself clear.
They / we / me would and never had nor will ever see Tory as our saviours. They just don't do that.
New Labour were Tory and did nothing.
Old Labour did nothing.
Over the decades all of them have hid behind various things vying for the swing voters in London.

Brexit took away their ability to hide it was black or white. They turn around and basically said we know best blah blah blah, never mind just keep the votes coming. That is exactly what Phony Tony did lets not forget despite what the media want you to think, it was on the back of Cash For Questions and people wanting change, none was forthcoming. There was nothing about Lite in him.

They warned the Labour party for 3 years votes going elsewhere but still didn't listen, indeed they went further the other way.

Everybody knew what was coming but nobody believed people would actually do it.
Not many liked Corbyn (me included), but policies got them close last time with a better brexit position. It did not go unnoticed by the media barons and hence they stepped up their attacks on him. I believe they didn't think he would get anywhere near the previous time.

It worked so well for them with Phony Tony and now they are doing the same this time around trying to get another.

I mean look how well everybody is doing

Peregrina · 19/12/2019 12:04

FUSOI - we are in agreement.

Peregrina · 19/12/2019 12:06

FUSOI - nor do I believe that Corbyn is any more anti-semitic than just about any Tory I have met. Anti the present Israeli Government - yes, but many are. It will soon be treason to say that.

random9876 · 19/12/2019 13:36

"Society is where it is because of decades of voting "I only care about myself" not because of last week."

I take your points, FUSOI, but who are you suggesting that the many historic Labour voters like me- who earn a decent salary, but like me believe we should be paying higher taxes and investing across the country - should actually have been voting for all this time then? Given the actual choices on the table? That's what I really don't understand in what you are saying? When you say 'decades of only voting because I care about myself' I literally don't understand the box you consider people should have ticked? Just curious?

Peregrina · 19/12/2019 14:04

I think FUSOI is saying - don't put your trust in the Tories and New Labour was Tory.

I don't think myself that they were - there was a lot more money for e.g.schools, and nor did they have the vindictive attitude that the current Tories show to the poor, but they still did rather take their electorate for granted. Think of all those seats where 'Labour votes were weighed'.