Is No Deal Brexit going to happen anyway?

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So Boris has got his blue scarves minions in place.
He’s going to pass a law this week to stop Brexit being delayed beyond 31st January 2020 and the transition period no longer than 31st December 2020

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-boris-johnson-leave-eu-remain-nhs-a9249341.html

So given how little Bojo cares for details. We may well crash out with no deal, as the current government won’t bother negotiating any with the EU.

(The turkeys voted for Christmas. Now here comes the stuffing).

So what was the combined opposition popular vote v the Tory one again?

I think there are lots of new Tory MP's who would just love to be bombarded with questions on this - get typing everyone, plenty of mailboxes to fill up

Yep. Getting ready for no deal after Dec 2020.

I don't have to rethink anything. I voted remain and I voted labour. If the UK is more successful out of the EU I'll be v happy to say I am wrong about that part but I'll still wish we were in the EU. It's a mindset thing. If the UK is not, as is likely, more successful out if the EU (and by successful I mean maintaining our social status quo or better and being richer) I won't be pleased to have been right because who the fuck would be pleased to be worse off?

Why does anybody think Boris has become more likely to go for a CU/SM Brexit ?
His advisors have not changed.
They still want a WTO Brexit
even though the WTO has ceased to function

What's sorted Continuity is that we are definitely leaving. That's the point. No more remain/leave discussions, that bit will be decided at the end of Jan.

Discussions will continue, even if the language changes.

When Churchill passed up the UK's chance to be in at the foundation of the EEC, in favour of its already crumbling Empire, it didn't make the issue go away.
The UK then realising it missed the boat, started EFTA.

De Gaulle's constant Nons didn't make the issue go away.
Wilson's Referendum in 1975 did put the issue to be for a while.

the uncomfortable truth still hasn't been grasped

Well the FTSE 250 and sterling today have grasped that Johnson’s plan of putting a time limit on negotiations is a significant risk.

Markets take fright as Boris Johnson opens door to hard Brexit. Sterling erases all gains since election exit poll and UK-focused stocks fall

You all scoffed that he wouldn't be able to change the WA but he did

Johnson reverted to the original May deal that was shot down by the DUP, and suits the EU better. And also highlights Johnson’s backtrack from his leadership pledge from July: “Under no circumstances… will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea.“

No deal will not happen because whoever let it happen would be held responsible for the chaos.

Where Tories are concerned that is not so. They managed to get the EU blamed for austerity £350 million a week, let's spend it on the NHS. We could always have spent that on the NHS - plenty of scope to divert domestic expenditure from elsewhere.

In the Coalition they managed to pass the buck nicely to the LibDems, even though the things that Cameron claimed he was proud of when he resigned were LibDem initiatives.

So yes, they can and they will find someone else to blame. There will also be enough apologists for them on these threads - we have heard plenty of 'no-one said it would be easy'. Oh yes, they did, easiest deals in history blah de blah.

The WA is basically what TM came up with only more shafting for the DUP .

I have to admit, I am not shedding too many tears for the DUP. I can't help but think how full of themselves they were a few months ago, in the way that some politicians and members of the public are full of themselves now.

Nice to see them shafted. Not only by the Tories but also in the general election by the people of NI.
Also a bit unnerving. Because of what lurks not to far beneath the surface of the DUP.

@Peregrina I don't disagree with you.

I am however, intrigued to know who the Tory party and the gutter press will blame it on when the shit hits the fan but we have crashed out of EU, Scotland has fucked off, we have our "points based" immigration system etc.

Yeah love how some people on this thread think Leavers don't know what they voted for.

Hahahahaha - you still don’t know what you’re going to get given that it could be anything from no deal to a soft Brexit and lots of complex options in between. It’s ridiculous to say leavers have got a clue!

I think Leavers, by voting Tory, showed that they are perfectly happy with any version of Brexit that the Tory government can deliver @Snowy111 .

I know, shocking really

We will leave with the current deal on 31st January and the post Brexit transition period will end in December 2020.

Then it's not the case that they haven't got a clue.

Hang on, you have all spent 3 years educating us about how wrong we are, how bad it will be, how only a fool would not vote for JC.
The press and the TV have also done this to the UK as a whole.
So how come your oh so important message has been ignored.
Could it be the message is wrong.

Now that Tories voters are now getting a no deal Brexit - stock market is already on the way down - unfortunately those of us who understood the negative impact of leaving the EU are going to be dragged down with the leave voters.

They are perfectly happy with any version of brexit that Boris can deliver - but no-one (not even Boris) has any idea what version that will be i.e. they haven’t got a clue

That’s why lots of people think leavers are thick

Could it be the message is wrong.

No

They will blame a no deal chaos on the previous parliament (despite being Tory led)/Jeremy Corbyn/LibDems/the Supreme Court/Nicola Sturgeon/London elite/the eu and/or anyone else.

Not all leavers are thick. Many of them just don't care.

A lot of Brexiters are saying that it was 'Easy' for BJ to negotiate a "new" deal with EU precisely b/c Johnson was resolute. Someone just needed to be firm with EU to get what UK wants. So being firm with EU will make sure UK gets everything they want. (continued logic) Some Brexiters are predicting a trade deal at end of 2020 that will be easy to negotiate, & that allows EXACTLY same access for UK to EU single market (as we had as members) but without A) paying any money B) being compelled to follow any EU rules or C) being subject to the ECofJ. (or D) having to allow Europeans to come live here if they want ).

Given that EU set all the terms of how the WA negotiations proceeded, I am very very keen to know what rules EU are drawing up for the FTA negotiation phase. When will the rules be revealed: February, perhaps? They have some very clever folk on their side, so must have worked out a thorough strategy. EU is very keen to contain Britain's ambitions to rival the SM. How will EU try to do that?

Oh, and PS: is Poland going to get itself Expelled from EU? They seem to be going that way with their legal reforms.

Given that EU set all the terms of how the WA negotiations proceeded, I am very very keen to know what rules EU are drawing up for the FTA negotiation phase.

The EU Brexit website has been a great resource - lots of information about negotiations.

ec.europa.eu/commission/brexit-negotiations/negotiating-documents-article-50-negotiations-united-kingdom_en

I’m sure the UK will want keep its citizens equally well informed.

(Irony alert)