What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

[Pumperthepumper]

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please

[ACouchOfOnesOwn]

Pumper how awful for you that your arch tone makes it seem that you're not interested in genuine dialogue.

[Pumperthepumper]

Did you read the opening post ACouchOfOnesOwn? I’m so ready to hear the positives, the bits that people are most looking forward to. I was against it, because I stupidly didn’t believe they could deliver what they were promising. I actually thought the negatives, the risk, outweighed any positives! I was wrong (not sure how wrong yet because nobody can think of any positives, but maybe you will) and we’re now getting Brexit - including my children. I’m DESPERATE to believe in the cause. So I now do! I believe! So which of these are you most looking forward to:

Is it the 350 million per week to the NHS? Is is the trade deals with no reduction in standards? Is it the continuation of peace in NI because the GFA is absolutely untouchable?

[AuldAlliance]

Yes! The ‘Fuck Anyone Worse Off Than Me, Why Should I Help Them?’ principle!
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Without that principle there will always be people who will sit back and let others do all the work.

History of course shows that for centuries, all the way back to feudalism and beyond, no one ever, ever sat back and let others do all the work. That happened when the UK joined the EU.

[DaydreamingDay]

The only positives are the rise of Alliance in NI, demonstrating people's desire there to leave the past behind and move forwards, and eventually a United Ireland.

[ACouchOfOnesOwn]

Pumper you're hilarious. It seems lots of us are looking forward to these threads disappearing but, in the meantime, knock yourself out. I hope you're being well paid. It would be a shame to be so deliberately obtuse for free.

[Pumperthepumper]

Just for my own sake, I’m afraid ACouchOfOnesOwn - and obviously my children and the rest of the people in my country.

No positives to share? How strange! Not even the 350 million per week to the NHS? You must admit that’s brilliant! Or the ease and speed of which we’ll be able to get all these new trade deals without any reduction in standards? Is that your favourite one?

[Peregrina]

Let me see now - with the wonderful tax cuts we are going to have I can use the savings to increase my charitable giving, and not see the Government waste it on Trident, or waste on a bung to the DUP.

[UnalliterativeGeorge]

Adam Hills will shave his beard off. It's the only positive I can find!

[CrunchyCarrot]

Right. I have tracked down the potential benefits we are supposed to be going to enjoy after Brexit. (Trouble is most appear to have been debunked but still, perhaps we were too hasty?) Here we go:

1. 'Wiping the slate clean' of the complex ties with Europe.
   

1. UK will have complete sovereignty to set its own laws and govern itself.
   

1. Ending payments to the EU
   

1. UK's fishing industry will grow - we'll have full control over our fishing waters.
   

1. Abolishing CAP will lower food prices.
   

1. Cutting EU tariffs - cheaper imports
   

1. A skill-based immigration system
   

1. Autonomy to make new trade deals globally, thus boosting productivity.
   

1. Reducing regulatory burdens on business - less red tape!
   

(btw I am not a Leaver! I am dying to know exactly how we will benefit here, perhaps it's in the fish department at least? I do love a nicely cooked Dover sole or sea bass! )

inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexit/brexit-no-deal-benefits-positive-consequences-uk-leaving-eu-explained-496259

[Peregrina]

I wonder if the fish know this Crunchy and will start spawning PDQ to make up for the overfishing?

Fishing though is something which will get directly affected by global and seas warming - as fish move into environments more suited to them.

[fedup21]

skill-based immigration system

What will happen to the ‘non skilled’ people who have already come to live in the UK?

[lonelyplanetmum]

I'm sorry Crunchy but I have to take issue with your number 2 otherwise it just perpetuates a misconception.

We always had complete sovereignty to set our own laws and govern ourself. We just agreed to delegate some of the basic stuff about consumer, worker, food and environmental rights to form a bare minimum agreed basis. Everything else defence, fiscal policy, health, education, pensions, social care, property, planning, family law etc etc was always domestic.

• Going forwards we will still have to agree basic rules with other countries to meet their trading standards like the controversial US ones.
  

• Also on the setting our own laws point.The government said in the manifesto that it will change the balance, this means bringing forward legislation to give this control to the executive. The control is moving away from the people's representation, away from proper parliamentary process and court checks.This is less control and not more. For example there could be a decision to give the current executive a 10 year fixed term and there is little that could be done to counteract this.

[Peregrina]

I don't think that list was original with Crunchy - it was the Brexiters promises, which they now have to make good on.

No good grumbling about Remoaner MPs voting against them, conveniently overlooking Johnson and Rees-Mogg's voting record, they now have enough numbers to get their policies through.

Personally, I would like to see the whole of the Opposition abstain when the Tories bring their Brexit policies back to the HoC so that when it goes tits up, no one can try the 'but Labour/SNP/LD voted for it.' If it's a success then they can take all the credit.

[BlackeyedSusan]

more space in the flat when I have eaten the stash.

[Jason118]

@BlackeyedSusan don't eat it yet, we still have no deal possibility to look forward to, end Dec 2020

[Peregrina]

So we have a good year to build a proper stash, and also start putting provisions by for the food banks because we know the current Government won't give a stuff about them.

[CrunchyCarrot]

Sorry for the late reply, decided to upgrade my Mac's operating system and it took two hours.

Yep the list above isn't mine, the sovereignty thing has been pretty much debunked but I'll bet plenty of Leavers still believe it.

Personally, I would like to see the whole of the Opposition abstain when the Tories bring their Brexit policies back to the HoC

I was just hoping for this myself, earlier today!

[KitKat1985]

I'm looking forward to post-Brexit when the masses suddenly realise that the post-Brexit utopia land of extra jobs and more money that they had been promised doesn't, and never was going to exist; and therefore watching Boris and Farage squirm trying to defend the decision to drag the UK out of the EU.

[Pumperthepumper]

I hope you’re not accusing Boris Johnson of lying there, KitKat. Who among us can honestly say we’ve never been sacked from several jobs for lying? How many of us can say with 100% confidence how many children we have? Exactly.

We have no reason whatsoever not to believe that he’ll deliver what he promised.

[wherearemychickens]

I am looking forward to Johnson having to own his shit.

I am looking forward to finding out what Brexit actually means.

I am looking forward to Nigel Farage exploding when we trade away our fishing waters.

I am slightly optimistic about the potential for reform of the CAP.

[KitKat1985]

Of course not Pumper. Myself and all my other NHS colleague amigos practically revere Boris in a similar manner to Jesus for all of that extra money we're going to get, and the fantastic success him and his party have made of the NHS in the past decade. It's made our job so much easier having all those great resources and staff at our fingertips! All hail King Boris!

[friendlycat]

The fact that now the Tories have a decent working majority the country can somehow move forward from the gridlock and find a path forward that hopefully is a softer style Brexit. The ERG have less power than before. I don't like Brexit, I don't want Brexit but it is happening and we could not continue in the state of flux that we were in. Hopefully firms will restart their investment plans, hopefully Brexit will not be as bad as feared, hopefully the EU will recognise that BJ has a good working majority and there can now be serious compromise on both sides to create a workable future for us and the EU. The country is very divided, parliament has been very divided but this does give a base to move forward somehow, someway.

[MangoStone]

Was that a joke?

No - I really do think immigration will increase as a result of new trade deals and I really am happy about that, since immigrants make us richer as a country.

[Pumperthepumper]

Well they’ve no reason not to Mango what with Britain making it so clear that they’re welcome in recent times. Just so long as they don’t ever feel at home here! We wouldn’t want that, obviously.

[Peregrina]

friendlycat - nothing I have seen about the newly elected Tory Government leads me to thing that there will be anything soft or moderate about them.