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Westminstenders: Election Special 3

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RedToothBrush · 13/12/2019 09:43

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ThatsMySantaHisBeardIsSoFluffy · 13/12/2019 17:28

Yep. As I said, I'm from East Mids (though heading into Anglia) and Leics, Notts are definitely in that area with the north starting beyond there on the M1. Chesterfield is J29 and Nottingham junctions go up to 26 (with the N'shire mining towns above there). The north gets going there.

I suppose it can be subjective depending on your position on the isle, however!

missclimpson · 13/12/2019 17:31

I think that the direction in which Johnson moves will depend on who is pulling the strings.

ListeningQuietly · 13/12/2019 17:35

I think that the direction in which Johnson moves will depend on who is pulling the strings.
THIS

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2019 17:36

Crewe definitely in Cheshire. Lived there many moons ago.

Johnson's position will be whatever suits him best. He can not avoid reality though. It will hit him at some point. Its a question of who he let's down first.

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Piggywaspushed · 13/12/2019 17:38

Very embarrassed . I even know it's Crewe and Nantwich ...in Cheshire....

TatianaLarina · 13/12/2019 17:41

Crewe is very near the Staffs border..

TiddleTaddleTat · 13/12/2019 17:41

Nicely put, Sunny
It does feel as though that Leader would be trying to do something on the verge of impossible... I don't know how anyone could resolve that. It's been Labour's struggle for decades.

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2019 17:42

If its any consolation I spent an hour last night getting very confused and thinking that Blyth Valley was in Wales. And that was when it was still early!!!!

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Moanranger · 13/12/2019 17:43

With (not quite) 24 hours to consider the impact:
1.Tory win always likeliest outcome.

  1. Our LD candidate (who I worked for) made significant inroads, increasing vote share by over 50%.
3.Big Con majority means BJ not beholden to special groups:eg, DUP, ERG 4.Immigration tightening will mean needed housing cannot get built due to lack of skilled staff. Critical social issue will continue to worsen, housing will continue to be unaffordable, homelessness will increase 5.Same for health, lack of staff will limit improvement 6.Farming severely affected. Farmers seem to be unaware of the extent to which the E.U. protected traditional farming. Expect dominance by corporate farming and super-automation. It will be unrecognisable.
  1. Fishing similar, & there will be the mother of all battles over fishing rights. Not pretty.
  2. The rest of the economy will adjust, but if the traditional heartlands expect a resurgence of manufacturing, they will be disappointed.
KatieGoesKaboom · 13/12/2019 17:43

There's the 'official' split of the Government Office Regions of course, which I think bleeds through into where people perceive they are. But mostly it's the TV regions isn't it? You're definitely in the North if you're watching Granada, YTV etc. and you're definitely in the Midlands (in 1982) if you're watching ATV.

KatieGoesKaboom · 13/12/2019 17:44

Unless you're one of those poor souls who only used to be able to get Welsh TV in North Devon. Grin

The memories.

Piggywaspushed · 13/12/2019 17:46

Very unedifying Twitter spat between Sayeeda Warsi and Katie Hopkins.

twitter.com/jdurran/status/1205502000684777472/photo/1

ClashCityRocker · 13/12/2019 17:46

Oh I'm under no illusions that Johnson will move to the center because it's the right thing to do.

He will do it because it's in his best interests. I hope that in this case his best interest will align with a lot of the tory voters who wouldn't have otherwise voted for him.

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2019 17:47

The tv region affect your culture and how you view the world.

Diane Oxberry dying, for example, was a regional shock that people outside the NW just won't have got.

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ThatsMySantaHisBeardIsSoFluffy · 13/12/2019 18:03

I cried a little tear for Diane. I was shocked by her death.

Peregrina · 13/12/2019 18:07

This GE was the tipping point for many people who were just utterly, utterly fed up of the whole stalemate. Even if they know the next stage might take ages, they just want to get to that stage.

I wonder. How long will it be before they ask, where is the new hospital? Where are those extra nurses? I really don't expect it to come from the Tories.

One of our local hospitals is due to be downgraded and lose its consultant maternity services. The Tory teller (male, aged 81) could not see why this might be a problem. Never mind that other hospitals are full to capacity, and sometimes have to send people to the hospital about to be downgraded/closed.

How much use will he need to make of the maternity services? He might just wake up when his granddaughter ends up giving birth in a car by the side of the road.

TatianaLarina · 13/12/2019 18:11

Very unedifying Twitter spat between Sayeeda Warsi and Katie Hopkins.

I wouldn’t call that a spat ‘between’ two people. I would say it was Hopkins abusing Warsi.

ListeningQuietly · 13/12/2019 18:20

peregrina
I found this article interesting
www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/13/johnsons-brexit-needs-to-deliver-economic-benefits-and-fast

Peregrina · 13/12/2019 18:21

But at least Jack Monroe sued the hide off Katie Hopkins and won. I have to console myself with that. Someone who does know how to budget on a shoestring, which Hatie Hopkins will never know.

frumpety · 13/12/2019 18:22

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I don't know if its because of the job I do ,spent the day with people who have days to live, but I cannot summon up the sort of devastation that others are feeling. This isn't because my opinion has changed in any way shape or form regarding either the Conservative party or Brexit, it hasn't.
I thinks its simply a case of what can I actually do to change the situation ? currently bugger all, so I am not going to let it spoil my Christmas. If the opportunity or situation occurs where I can do something pro-active, then I will do so.
Flowers Brew Wine Cake to all those who are really upset though.

Piggywaspushed · 13/12/2019 18:22

Yes , I thought that after I wrote it Tatiana. She's an awful awful woman, Hopkins.

placemats · 13/12/2019 18:25

Those of you arguing what is north, you do realise that Edinburgh is more westerly than Bristol?

Piggywaspushed · 13/12/2019 18:26

There's a LOT of very concerned teachers out there right now frumpety. Obviously we aren't on the front line like you but we also have to get on with it. But the promised new Ofsted regime feels like a huge retrograde step. There will be more selection, more testing, less money and teachers continuing to leave the profession in droves.

DrBlackbird · 13/12/2019 18:29

I certainly don't hold any hope for BJ moving to a softer position. The problem with that hope / logic is that somehow he'll be making decisions and setting policy. No, he won't. That is too much like hard work for him.

He'll do the schmoozing, state dinners and photo ops with the dog whilst the likes of Cummings, Gove, and JRM will actually sit down and decide 'what next' and we know what they want next... no deal or the flimsiest of trade deals that won't impede anything with the US.

DGRossetti · 13/12/2019 18:33

An archaeologist writes Grin ...

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“Always Look on the Bright Side of Life…de dum…de dum…”
by Nigel Smith
We Brits are meant to be good at keeping our peckers up and smiling through adversity. But lately I’ve been having trouble finding my pecker, let alone keeping it up. Everything seems so gloomy and pointless. And it all came to a head yesterday, Thursday December 12th, 2019, the day of the General Election. We did some gentle shopping in Holbeach, then called in at the Sutton St James Village Hall where the Polling Station is always to be found. Maisie and I then dutifully marked our ballot papers and had a nice long chat with the two charming ladies who were checking names and forms. I think they were a bit bored: I wouldn’t have said the place was exactly overcrowded with eager voters. We got back to the car, just as the rain began to start. And it rained steadily all the way home. The wind picked up and the dogs seemed very reluctant to be taken for an afternoon walk. So I let them play in the barn. The rain got worse and I could see the puddles out in the fields growing by the hour. Parts of the garden looked a bit like Venice. By the end of Election Day I emptied 13mm from the rain gauge.

Our chickens are still laying so we had boiled eggs and homemade bread for supper: simple, but very nice, as the eggs this year have had wonderful yellow yokes and are bursting with flavour. Maisie’s bread is always lovely. After supper we both did something we rarely do: we looked at the internet news on our phones, since the BBC was not allowed to report on the General Election until after the Polls closed at ten o’clock. There were pictures of endless queues and of youngsters lining-up to vote in various universities across England. Everyone seemed to think that the ‘Youthquake’ – involving three million newly-registered young voters – was going to transform the election from a Tory landslide into something else (nobody seemed quite certain what).

At ten o’clock, the BBC announced the result of the exit poll - usually a fairly accurate predictor of the eventual result – and the Tories under Boris Johnson were going to win with a majority of about 50. We were both amazed, if not actually stunned. I grabbed another glass of cheap port and tried to read a book. Then I went upstairs to bed – and the radio. Despite my best intentions, I didn’t stay awake and listen: the port took over and I snored my way to a fairly deep sleep. When she came up half an hour later, Maisie tried to get me to stop snoring (a sharp shout in my ear usually does the trick), but this time she failed. By now the earliest results were starting to come in and Maisie realised that the Exit Polls had probably been correct. Very kindly she decided not to wake me up. So she listened to the gloomy tidings alone.

At three AM I woke up, only to hear that the Tories were winning what looked like a major landslide and that Labour and the Lib Dems were having something of a car-crash. I started to feel a dreadful pall of black depression creeping up on me. And then something very strange happened. Maybe it was a latent sense of survival. Or perhaps my publishers were sending out subliminal messages to me: don’t go all gloomy or you’ll never finish your new book. Remember, the deadline is the end of June and you’ve still got fifty thousand words to do…

But whatever it was, the pall of gloom started to dissipate. I almost felt a sense of relief. At least we knew what was going to happen. And maybe now that he’d won such a major landslide, Boris could tell the extreme-right members of the Tory Party to leave him alone; perhaps the new Brexit deal wouldn’t be as suicidally hard as we had expected? It was a thought. Who knows, what if Boris didn’t try to paddle or punt the British Isles across the Atlantic to cuddle-up to that nice mister Trump? I didn’t really believe in any of these thoughts, but suddenly they seemed possible. And if the trade and political severance of Brexit wasn’t too hard, one day we might be able to return – when, that is, my generation dies off and the saner younger generation gains control. Again, it was a thought.

So that’s how it is. I detest what has happened in the Election, but the years of uncertainty were starting to get me down. I also loathed the growing hatred, racism and intolerance that Brexit seemed to foster. I don’t think for one minute that the lurch to the extremes of right and left will cease, but maybe it’ll slow down as the febrile, testosterone-fuelled atmosphere of hatred starts to abate. It would be so nice to think about things other than a sort of politics that somehow ignores what really matters. Climate change and global warming, the rise of religious fundamentalism and the disintegration of nuclear weapons agreements should be occupying politicians’ thoughts. Not Brexit. And as for me? I want to write books and meet the lovely people who read them – and you can’t enjoy things like that if you’re feeling all knotted-up inside. I may be wrong, but I think my pecker might be starting to ascend…