Westminstenders: Election Special 3

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I'm loving this from Nicola Sturgeon.

She repeatedly uses the word 'consent' when it comes to Johnson. Clever stuff.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50799613

Meanwhile, let's place the lens and focus on Johnson.

Very much, like 2016 any question of perceived benefits of Brexit was met with neener neener neener we won get over it, now any question of benefits of implementation of Tory policy is met with neener neener neener Corbyn lost

Im aware he lost [shrug] and that we are more than likely going to Brexit but I'd like to hear some benefits I have to look forward to for the next five years of a Conservative government

If it's Easter next year, then so be it. What's the rush?
Because Jeremy the failure is NOT the person to face down a triumphant Tory government over the coming months

Dusty

Lisa Nandy & others have been brutal

Some people might see honesty as being brutal, I call it constructive criticism. Personally I'd rather someone say to me that dress doesn't suit you. Try another.

I was gutted in 2015 that Miliband lost to that fucking idiot Cameron.

Hi there Justanother
I'd like to hear some benefits I have to look forward to for the next five years of a Conservative government
You think they will really last five years

Easter? Fucking Easter? He needs to be gone by Christmas. He’ll be crucified if he sits on the front bench now and I won’t have a shred of sympathy for him. I’m really hoping he’ll be no confidenced next week and someone robust and sensible will become interim leader.

Because Jeremy the failure is NOT the person to face down a triumphant Tory government over the coming months

For god's sake get over yourself.

A question the new Labour leader is going to have to answer is how do you keep a membership who joined primarily for Corbyns progressive policies if the new leader thinks those policies are what caused the defeat

Why @placemats? She’s on the money.

derxa ; I am not sure why that sounds wrong? Labour was heavily reliant on (and complacent about) the Scottish vote throughout the 80s and 90s. The fact that labour has collapsed in Scotland due to a rebranding of the SNP is part of the reason why Labour needs to look to reinvent itself without shoring up from Scottish Labour.

There is one week next week in which all Johnson will do in reply to PMQs is say the following

Get Brexit done
Oven ready
NHS
40 new hospitals
50,000 new nurses

Sit there quietly and let him spout this. We all of us know, even those who voted for him, that these are lies.

Who's 'on the money'? And what are you talking about?

Easter? Fucking Easter?

Fucking Easter 2024, strictly speaking, since all he's promised is not to be leader at the next general election.

But not even Momentum are that mad.

....are they?

Because Jeremy the failure is NOT the person to face down a triumphant Tory government over the coming months

Is on the money.

How many times do I need to explain that the colour of the WM Government is almost never influenced by the MPs from Scotland??

Do you lot not read a word I write?

The current elected government is a case in point: even if every single one of the 59 constituencies had returned a Labour MP, BJ would still have a majority

Blair never needed the Scottish MPs in order to have his majority either.

WM gets the government that England wants.

A question the new Labour leader is going to have to answer is how do you keep a membership who joined primarily for Corbyns progressive policies if the new leader thinks those policies are what caused the defeat

Not a question that needs to be answered at all. If having a huge “progressive” membership saddles you with unelectable policies and 203 MPs, then the membership is less than worthless.

Look at us Tories. Our membership consists of about 3 great-grandmothers who like to reminisce about the Boer War, and we still left the Momentum legions dead in a ditch, to coin a phrase

According to the Wikipedia article 'Irish Americans' about 10 per cent of the US population identify as having partial or complete Irish ancestry. This is quite a lot of people, certainly, but still not the majority of the population. The article also states that Republican or Democrat affiliation occurs at approximately equal amounts among Irish Americans. Therefore, I certainly don't think you can tell how someone will vote in Congress just because of Irish American ancestry.

The obvious solution to all Labour's problems is to let Corbyn and his cabinet sit and listen to the gloating for the next few months, which will in time become hollow. Let him fully understand the consequences of his actions. Then as spring evolves into summer get the new generation of competent Labour MPs in. This is the right and proper way to do it.

Election Survey of Britons Abroad sussex.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/2019-election-survey-of-britons-abroad-1?fbclid=IwAR33QGUGvFtt-U7OBe3EvJDFShR9HuJlKOWVPFsh5phOA7ratKhKLhGRLLg

Add Wales into that Prettybird. If Wales had remained entirely Red/green it would have made no difference to the majority. England gets what it wants.

I only hope we can take a leaf out of Scotland’s book.

This post from the turkeys/Christmas thread seems to be very representative of what happened at this election:

Well I'm a life long Labour voter (since 1970s) remain voting Northerner who lives in a constituency that has just turned Blue for the first time ever. I voted Conservative, as did my remain voting, left leaning DC.
I think all the family would now vote leave if there were a second referendum, which I suppose this election kinda is?

Reasons have little to do with Boris and more to do with dislike of Corbyn and disbelief at the reckless spending plans. We all believe the leave vote should have been respected and implemented long before now. But mostly it was Corbyn.

Obviously we are all by now inured to CendrillonSings and their goady postings.

Look at us Tories. Our membership consists of about 3 great-grandmothers who like to reminisce about the Boer War, and we still left the Momentum legions dead in a ditch, to coin a phrase wink

There there its ok you won remember, bless they seem a little excitable bless

Wales cannot be independant of England so long as it has no North-South infrastructure that does not pass through England: Roads, railways, water, electric, gas, phone and internet, it all runs East-West from Bristol, Birmingham and Liverpool.

People, Labour voters, just seem to have been more afraid of Corbynomics than hard Brexit economically.