Westminstenders: Election Special 3

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I've just been catching up on Twitter and there are some really upsetting reports of racist incidents in the wake of the election. Eg:twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1206204677987143680?s=20
Just awful..
More generally I've been trying to think of positive things I can do. More donations to food banks and charities I guess.. bad times.

Couldn’t agree less @placemats. If there’s one thing the Tories get right, it’s their ruthlessness in getting rid of a leader after a lost election. Had things gone the other way, Carrie would be packing in Downing St now.

As much as I hated Corbyn and all he stood for and I left the Labour Party because of it, I would never, ever, in a million years vote Tory.

I know Tory remainers who voted for Johnson.

So, it comes to this: They are either lying or leavers. The two elves.

He's already starting with a mandate to ignore old-style Tories by claiming he has to prove himself to his new-found northern benefactors. Again, obviously the reality is he couldn't give two shits about them.

All perfectly true as far as the old style Tories go, but he might find that he ignores them at his peril. They are still the ones who support him come hell or high water. As we discussed earlier on this thread, which Cendrillon jumped in to disagree with, his new supporters in the north are not as numerous as it appears - there was much more of old Labour voters staying at home, (or old Labour voters who have now passed away.)

Labour isn't Conservative Alsohuman and I wouldn't want them to become like them either.

That's awful bufo

Most people should not display their badge outside of the work place but obviously this person is working. Just appalling.

If there’s one thing the Tories get right, it’s their ruthlessness in getting rid of a leader after a lost election.

Not entirely true last time - they let May limp on despite throwing away a working majority. I would agree that in normal times they are completely ruthless -as Johnson will find out in due course.

I know Tory remainers who voted for Johnson.
There tribal loyalty is just too great - the pig with the blue rosette syndrome.

I would. I think the Tories have got it absolutely right @placemats. The Labour Party looks weak, gutless and ineffectual allowing him to sit on the front bench and draw his Leader of Opposition salary after two failed elections.

the pig with the blue rosette

answers to the name Francois

The Tories did that for 13 years Alsohuman and they ended up with Cameron and a coalition government with the LibDems.

Perhaps time for a new thread?

Placemats
Brexit is just one part of what the Tories have planned for the coming months.
The country needs an opposition who will oppose and expose and criticise the extreme policies and dismantling of checks and balances.

A lame duck loser who looks inwards is NOT the person to lead that.

This is not about the Labour party
its about the country

the pig with the blue rosette answers to the name Francois

He is so pork crackling.

The Tories did that for 13 years Alsohuman and they ended up with Cameron and a coalition government with the LibDems

I know that. And your point is?

You can expose all you like but with a majority government and a right wing press, shakily behind him, what can you possibly do?

Channel 4 do not have the viewing figures and the BBC are totally in the hand of the Government. ITN is probably the most bi partisan.

I said earlier, it suits Johnson's narrative that it was northern Labour voters lending their votes. In many (although not all) of the constituencies that flipped blue, the tory vote share didnt increase significantly - instead Labour's dropped.

It helps break the stigma of voting Tory if he can persuade voters that others like them voted Tory and he didn't let them down. Breaks down the identity of the 'northern working class Labour voter'. Particularly as the pool of voters who remember the thatcher years grows smaller...

I said earlier, it suits Johnson's narrative that it was northern Labour voters lending their votes. In many (although not all) of the constituencies that flipped blue, the tory vote share didnt increase significantly - instead Labour's dropped.

This has been said many times now in the media and online. But from the number of erstwhile Labour/LD voters who voted Tory I’ve come across online and in real life since Friday - there are really quite a number of non Tories who chose to vote Tory at this election. Hence the size of the win.

It isn’t simply explained by Labour voters not voting unfortunately.

I took the liberty of starting a new thread.

Apologies if there are misspellings. Or should that be mispllegns.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3769413-Westminstenders-The-only-way-forward-is-up

A lot of Labour supporters / ex MPs seem.to ne saying it was labour's position on Brexit that cost them the election.

That's a load of crap but I wonder how many seats Labour would have won if they had remained Leave.

Personally I think it would have been fewer than now.

As an aside to that - what is a traditional Labour supporter?

I feel myself getting pissed off at all the shit I am hearing. The only.ones whi have talked sense are Jess Phillip's and Lisa Nandy.

Although I do think McDonnel came across well this morning. But I think he normally does anyway.

Was moaning to an acquaintance at Church this morning and he told me to relax...that Boris was in now and there was no need to be concerned anymore. He genuinely seemed to think Johnson was almost 5enSecond Coming.

It did make me wonder though - is there a chance Johnson could be brilliant?

Also just back from Tesco. The food bank donations were the biggest I have ever seen. I couldn't get my jars in the crate so just left them beside it. It could be because of Christmas I suppose...as well as the election.

The.

Before this closes, I'd just like to say:

Kier Starmer. Kier Hardie. Clement Attlee. Herbert Morrison. Jeremy Corbyn, can you hear me? Your boys took a hell of a beating.....

ClashCity - yes, I agree, and we analysed a few seats up thread which showed this. But, I think for those one time Labour voters who did go Tory the "and he didn't let them down", is going to be the hard part to deliver.

Given that he is going to have even less of a clue than Corbyn as to what makes northern Labour voters tick what will he have to give? OK he's latched onto the NHS, he says he is going to prioritise this, so it will just need one hospital to close for this to be exposed. He won't be able to conjure up 50,000 more nurses in time by training UK staff.

Get Brexit done - so ill defined. But people are absolutely pig sick of austerity so they will need to see improvements of some sort. What exactly? If he does throw money at problems like crumbling schools and transport the southern moneyed Tories will start squealing that why should they pay for these people who aren't really Tories?

But having lived in a Labour 'heartland' for a short while some 40 odd years ago, I do feel that they did take their electorate for granted and I am not convinced that they changed. I would also question what Blair's New Labour did for those areas ravaged by Thatcherism? They had 13 years. Actually, I believe that they did do lots, like put more money into education, but that goes almost unseen when the local heavy industry employing thousands closes.

Tomorrow is another day

Johnson - brilliant? Fat chance, although if he is, I will happily own up to being wrong.