Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Westminstenders: The Undecideds

987 replies

RedToothBrush · 09/12/2019 19:55

Apparently the pollsters are nervous.

There are far more undecided than there have been at this stage in recent general election.

This makes it a hugely fine line between a hung parliament and a massive tory majority.

The weather on Thursday isn't expected to be nice and this could affect turnout. The blue corner are particularly nervous about this, but don't forget those postal votes.

Whatever happens on Thursday at least this election campaign is nearly over. And that can't be a bad thing.

And Christmas is in a fortnight so we can all drown our sorrows or celebrate in style.

You always have time to restock the drinks if you end up resort to them on Thursday

(New election special thread on Thursday rather than bunging up Westminstenders BTW)

OP posts:
Thread gallery
45
MaxNormal · 10/12/2019 12:01

George Monbiot breaks embargo on anti Labour press lies.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/break-embargo-expose-press-lies-labour

lonelyplanetmum · 10/12/2019 12:08

Its weird isn't it.

  • A genuine photo of a genuinely sick child on a genuine hospital floor has so much spin and fakery within 24 hours that the underlying message fades behind the fakery.How is the child by the way? Anyone live near them?

By contrast

  • A genuine power grab (unprecedented in centuries) which is minimised but present on p 48 gets minimal attention at all. It doesn't even attract spin and fakery. It quietly slides through in the Tory/ERG manifesto to give later licence to subvert Parliament and the courts.

What have we come to.

stripeypillowcase · 10/12/2019 12:12

the bbc 'more or less' radio programme is very interesting indeed!

Icantreachthepretzels · 10/12/2019 12:18

I just watched BJ's rip off of labour's love actually spoof. It's the usual says absolutely nothing but brexit and is a bit cringey and empty - but lordy lordy, if you stumble across it, watch it to the end and wait for him to talk... I howled with laughter. Proper witch's cackle. Oh it's awful - I'd be embarrassed for him but I can't feel anything but loathing for him, so the mortification isn't breaking through.

Hugh Grant's take on it - 'it has high production values - maybe that's where the rubles went' and 'I can't help but notice he doesn't hold up the 'because at Christmas you tell the truth' card. I suppose the spin doctors didn't think that would look very good in his hands.'

thecatfromjapan · 10/12/2019 12:20

It's even a rip-off if a Labour MPs election video.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-copies-labour-candidates-21061865.amp

thecatfromjapan · 10/12/2019 12:22

Original:

twitter.com/drrosena/status/1197884965444366337?s=21

thecatfromjapan · 10/12/2019 12:22

Oh, I see you saw that pretzels.

Sorry. 💐

RedToothBrush · 10/12/2019 12:23

Have they all retired from politics and given up on their country?

And

And for the first time ever had a 2nd thought about the wisdom of it, entertaining the possibility of a brick through the window. Or something unpleasant through the letterbox.

Put these two statements together.

My previous MP was Tory. He was a liberal conservative (voted remain) and a half decent constituency MP tbh. Better than the waste of space that is our current Labour one.

He very reluantly stood again in 2017 but had said privately that he wouldn't stand again because of the abuse he'd endured.

I didn't know him personally but I did have a mutual friend who had said about what had been happening to him.

He had moved out of the constituency due to the issues he was having. His house had been targetted on several occasions, including one time dog poo being put through his letter box. He was, away in London with work so his wife and kids had to deal with it.

This was BEFORE things have got even more polarised.

He was apparently very relieved he had lost (he didn't do a huge amount of campaigning in 2017 as his heart really was no longer in it).

I think its easy to criticise people who have quit politics and have 'abandoned their country'. I don't see the people criticising, putting themselves (and their families) on the line to stand instead of them either.

I have sympathy for those who have done it and don't feel they can take anymore of the abuse and the mental stress of it all tbh.

It doesn't make it right or better. It just highlights the problems even more where no one is willing to put themselves on the line because of the risks involved. That really is the sign of a country where authoritarism and political violence is a significant and legitmate problem.

Would I stand in my own constituency? Hell no. Would I be happy about DH standing in my own constituency? We'd be looking at divorce.

Apart from that there is the issue that people of the calibre that we'd ideally like to stand could earn more in other careers and have a better work/life balance than working parttime in London, having to run two homes, and the long parliamentary hours even when you take expenses into consideration. I know people say £80,000 is a lot of money - but at London salaries and given the job, it really isn't comparitively speaking. Its a lot compared with the average salary across the country, but its not compared with a London salary in a professional field.

The bottom line is you have to be pretty ideologically driven to even want to consider standing now. The profession is only going to attract the hard core militants for that reason.

OP posts:
Icantreachthepretzels · 10/12/2019 12:34

It's OK cat - thanks for posting the original. I knew I should but I couldn't be bothered going back to find it Blush

ListeningQuietly · 10/12/2019 12:37

LOW YOUTH TURNOUT
Is it just a data anomaly?
Students can (and clearly do) register in two locations
but can only vote once

so they will count as a no show in one place even if they do vote

re Southampton Itchen .....
www.nytimes.com/2019/12/08/world/europe/young-voters-uk-election-brexit.html?
Royston has a wafer thin majority
it just takes 50 students from safe seats elsewhere to vote for Simon .....

so long as they are not accused of being apathetic in their parental constituencies Sad

dreichXmas · 10/12/2019 12:38

DH was approached about standing as a candidate, thankfully we left the country.
I could cope with an election run but not much else.
He was asked to consider a no hope seat for a minority party so wouldn't ever have actually been elected.

Actually being an MP looks impossible, time wise for a young family, income wise ( meaning he would have to have picked up several bits of side work) The general levels of aggression put your way.

ElenadeClermont · 10/12/2019 12:39

David Squires in The Guardian football section.

Westminstenders: The Undecideds
Peregrina · 10/12/2019 12:39

His house had been targetted on several occasions, including one time dog poo being put through his letter box. He was, away in London with work so his wife and kids had to deal with it.

That is awful, but no more than may people of colour, (or should that be people of talent?), have had to endure. If it made one person wake up to how bad things can be for others, then perhaps, just somewhere, we have glimmers of hope.

RedToothBrush · 10/12/2019 12:41

So he should endure abuse and carry on because other people have it worse?

Ok yeah thats great logic.

Confused
OP posts:
Peregrina · 10/12/2019 12:44

So he should endure abuse and carry on because other people have it worse?

No. I was afraid that my post might be interpreted that way. The Tories I know are pleasant enough people, but would not believe that this sort of thing happened, until it happened to them.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 10/12/2019 12:45

So he should endure abuse and carry on because other people have it worse?

Ok yeah thats great logic.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. ― Edmund Burke.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 10/12/2019 12:47

I've been genuinely shocked today to find people I know believing that the story about the poorly boy was faked. It was a real 'shit, we are screwed' moment.

thecatfromjapan · 10/12/2019 12:47

I have to say, I find abuse of MPs (and canvassers) utterly troubling.

Our own MP gets death threats - and it's just the new normal.

It's all incremental - someone here gets this, then someone there gets that.

Really, the UK needed to stop and do a mass self-accounting when Jo Cox was murdered.

We didn't.

For all the hand-writing, I'm afraid we as good as tolerated it.

And, as the statement goes: if you tolerate this ...

Stinkyeddie · 10/12/2019 12:47

Rats deserting a sinking ship comes to mind...

Don't blame them, though.

Politics has changed and our once pragmatic and sensible parliament is now run by increasingly extremeist factions.

Rather like the US.

God help us.

Peregrina · 10/12/2019 12:49

I doubt if one of the smug Tories I know would ever be reduced to using a foodbank, but I could easily see her having to wait a long time for an operation. Would it make her change her views? I doubt it somehow. She is the sort who would believe that the boy being treated in the corridor was faked, because she wants to believe it. The sort who would turn a blind eye to Boris Johnson's infidelities although believes strongly in the sanctity of marriage.. I could go on...

thecatfromjapan · 10/12/2019 12:49

 @OhYouBadBadKitten Sad

I think we are, you know.

(And no I really must take my social media break. 🙂)

TheElementsSong · 10/12/2019 12:51

You know what? From now on, I'm just going to focus all my attention on wondering how JJ Abrams is going to unfuck Star Wars after the utter mess of The Last Jedi. Going by the political polls with the Tories still going great guns, the ideal outcome would be for The Emperor to kill more younglings, and for the Sith to reign over the galaxy for the rest of time.

RedToothBrush · 10/12/2019 12:51

I take it all those chastising are putting in applications to stand for election at the next available opportunity...

OP posts:
Stinkyeddie · 10/12/2019 12:52

elements
Shock
Nooooooooooo

thecatfromjapan · 10/12/2019 12:53

@TheElementsSong

I think that all the time these days.