The Brexit Arms. Is this Ben Elton? Is it free mulled wine and mince pies for everyone or a Corb-free Christmas 🎄?

[SingingLily]

Welcome to the Brexit Arms!

The temporary Landlady is back but worry not, all is festive good cheer with just another three days to go until we reach the Only Poll That Really Matters. Till then, the gloves are still on!

A quick recap of the events of the last week or so:

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Anyone of any political persuasion who is prepared to join in, eschew goadery, and enjoy a laugh, welcome. First drinks are on the house.

“Epic thank you for that comprehensive and very personal list of reasons why there was no ‘Golden Age’ of the NHS under Labour.”

Thank you, ☺️ it was a bit personal, and I hesitated a bit, but I am so sick and tired of hearing the same old bullshit, of ‘only St Corbz and Labour can save the NHS’, ‘Boris Johnson and tories kill babies’ etc... it’s really fucking short sighted, and requires a vast amount of selective amnesia, to overcome the truth of the past. Labour are showing me nothing that makes me have any faith in their claims, based on past experience. Heard it all before. From both parties.

These were the tweets I saw epic Laura Kuenssberg normally is a pretty reliable source 🤷‍♀️

Ahhh, I saw a vid of them leaving, Laura K says it happened when they arrived. Maybe that’s the issue here.

Let me see if I can find that vid again, obvs labour supporters are saying nothing happened and showing that particular video, so disinfo all over the place! As usual! Lol

Gimme 5

Here’s the video link that’s doing the (red) rounds....

twitter.com/aaronbastani/status/1204082680805113862

Wonder why the journos are reporting it as a punch then. Peston also tweeting the same as LK and has named the advisor. Says police were called. Very strange.

Just seen that on the news... an accident, the adviser didn't see and walked into the shouter's pointing hand, funniest thing was the elderly man at the end saying "can you just shut up now please"

A Labour activist has been arrested after punching Matt Hancock’s advisor, Jamie Njoku-Goodwin, in the face, whilst on a visit to a Leeds hospital. Luckily he didn’t have to travel far to get to A&E…

Hancock was visiting the hospital in light of the reports dominating the news today of a boy with pneumonia having to sleep on the floor due to no free beds.

Labour are denying they paid for taxis to transport around 100 protestors to the hospital, however, the following Whatsapps sent to Guido disprove that:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7773113/Labour-activist-PUNCHES-Matt-Hancocks-adviser-Leeds-hospital.html
Weird was just going to post the link from Guido and hes edited the story 🤔

Update from Laura K...

twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1204091610843226112

@EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit, what a dreadful series of appalling experiences at the hands of the NHS. It really has to be a cross-party matter after the GE and Brexit next year, with social care also on the discussion papers.

There was a poster on the NHS is not really very good thread who set out the system in another country (I think in the EU, she wasn't explicit) who explained how a fully funded insurance (employee/employer funded for people in work) and state funded for others, scheme worked to achieve free-at-delivery medical services in emergency/critical and palliative care.

The yelling and posturing/blocking outside the doors of the hospital is pretty naff behaviour though. They could have protested a bit further down and away from where patients are passing through tbh.

“funniest thing was the elderly man at the end saying "can you just shut up now please" grin”

That would have been me! 😂

Also where sick patients will be recovering and families will be receiving bad news etc. Part and parcel of making noise being more important than actually thinking about the wellbeing of others! Plus the "we do not want you in this country"🤔

“Also where sick patients will be recovering and families will be receiving bad news etc.”

I was just thinking the same, when my grandad was dying in the hospital (as described earlier) we used to pop outside for a breath of air and a chat on the bench by the entrance when it got too much, the last thing we would have needed at that exact moment was to be surrounded by some screeching arseholes, regardless of how worthy they believe their cause to be.

I agree with Eric the video is on twitter, the 'punch' was just an accident. The guy was swinging his arm up and the adviser walked into it. He wasn't hurt. definitely NOT a punch.

Evening all - a pint of squash for me please this evening (sugar free).

xing - I have lived abroad twice, once in the Netherlands and once in Switzerland, so have experienced other systems. I have also been in hospital in France due a to major accident.

Of the three I would say Netherlands was the best - had to pay 100 euros per month insurance through work (you don't pay if you can't afford it). Everything was free at point of delivery, only thing I had to pay for was prescriptions.

During the time I lived there I had a major surgery - saw doctor at time of my choosing (literally walked into surgery and had appointment immediately), ditto specialist in hospital, was able to choose the exact time / date of my surgery. So in total I had what was probably 10k worth of surgery and I only paid 200 euros for the medicines I needed after my op. This is surgery that here would possibly be considered elective on the NHS so probably wouldn't be available, but there was seen as impacting my life and therefore it was done immediately.

Unlike the UK private system, my premium was the same rate irrespective of what was treated. I would be happy if we had something like that hear that worked more efficiently.

In Switzerland you have to pay a large amount in insurance and you still have to sub I think up to the first 1000 swiss francs of spend before it kicks in. Insurance per person can be about 1000 francs per year so for a family of 4 it's pretty pricey (one of my best friends lives there currently).

In France I had had a skiing accident and their ICU was excellent - seen immediately, no waiting. Then moved onto a shared room with en-suite as standard, no wards as far as I am aware.

I agree I think our entire system needs reviewing as well as putting in more money - it needs a complete overhaul independent of politics.

I feel lucky we have an excellent local surgery and no issue getting into it.

It is disgraceful where Momentum activists start screaming, 'pretending to be aggrieved members of the public'. The labour party is going to take years to detoxify itself.

Btw Lily just read some of your replies on the hey tories thread all I can say is m.youtube.com/watch?v=qsW7ofkc0TU
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We’ve lost our working class because we’ve embraced a second referendum over leave. It’s because we’ve embraced woke over family, faith and flag. It’s because we’ve embraced welfarism over aspiration. Don’t blame the media. Look in the mirror first.

True dat 🙌

(Just catching up with thread....)

so, what do we all think about a 4 year old with pneumonia having a bed made up on a floor? And our potential PM refusing to look at the photo, to the extent that he pocketed a journalist's phone on which the image was shown?

For me, that is pretty bloody low; I spent a lot of time in A&E with my DM prior to her death in Nov 2018; I can testify to the patients on trollies lining the place, and the sheer desperation of the staff. NHS under the Tories is not for me.

The Labour Party have long seen the working class as their pet - for a pat on the head and patronising when there is an election. They don’t seem to understand the patriotism, family values, aspiration for better for their children through hard work and their sense of fairness.

True this too!

(Am aware that thread has probably moved on wildly...!!)

Because if that was my kid - and it actually was my DM - I'd be pretty fucking angry and asking why I should vote Tory, given that they cannot campaign on what they have done for the last 9 years, but rather what they will/possibly/allegedly do...

Thank you, Belle!

I think I acquired a new friend over on that thread . Every time I posted, up she popped with what clearly passes for wit in her world. She sounded quite shrieky in the end but as she is my new bezzie, I will defend to the death her right to shriek.

After all, what are friends for?

Drinks all round, everyone. Back later...

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Aah Epic 💐 - just read your post about your family members & their experiences with hospitals 😟

So sorry xxxx

And agree with what you say about what it was meant to be & what it's become

And so much this: Using it as a political football helps no one.

Dmitri knows who they are and the proud principles on which the decent but forgotten working class stand.

These are the people who will lend their votes to Boris, their precious votes. He'd better bloody not let them down.

Yep!

Agree 100%