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Fuck you Boris Johnson

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ArseDarkly · 05/12/2019 20:42

Just for balance, y'know, during the election period Smile

Fuck you for the corrupt racist lying bastard you are. I know you don't give a shit about our country - our laws, our democracy, our standards. I know the NHS is on the table.

I know you will end up like Trump - disgraced and vilified.

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ArseDarkly · 09/12/2019 09:54

Cendrillon you're already clocked on! You need to have a word with Jolie about their crap posting. Unless you ARE Jolie? In which case...your posting's crap.

I know you don't give a shit about this stuff and just using it for your smear campaign so no point 'discussing' antisemitism and the issue of Israel /Palestine with you

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Xenia · 09/12/2019 09:56

I am trying to work so cannot answer all those. I believe F|ull Fact found the deficit was down by two thirds. However this Tory party is too high spend and high tax for me so I certainly think they could do better. I would like us not to spend more than we take in and then to move on to tackling the national debt. fullfact.org/economy/deficit-down-two-thirds/

I don't think most Tories feel desperate at this point in the election cycle as most polls says we will win a majority but it is not cut and dried so I do hope everyone, particularly Tories, does vote. Get it on the diary now and do it on Thursday.

ArseDarkly · 09/12/2019 10:21

Fat chance of tackling the national debt under a government that thinks nothing of wasting millions on a 'get ready for Brexit' campaign purely to back up Johnson's lie that we would leave on 31St October.

Plus, if they get in, their Brexit bungling and in-fighting is going to continue to strangle business and parliament to the exclusion of all else.

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ArseDarkly · 09/12/2019 10:27

And Boris likes to hand out public money to special 'friends' as we know

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BiBiBirdie · 09/12/2019 10:36

YANBU
The man is a self promoting fucknugget.
We deserve better as a country.
Boris is bankrolled by billionaires because they care not a fucking jot for the damage being done to the many in this country. When there are 4million kids in poverty, people dying after hours and hours waiting to be seen in a+e, homeless people dying in the streets up and down the country. It's not about sodding bastard Brexit.
A huge number who voted leave did so with no real knowledge of what was being voted for. Or they voted thinking it would see off austerity and the Tories. You also have people who were not old enough to vote who now are.
I have had enough of the smears and his photocalls spreading fucking jam on scones.
They need gone.
Or our NHS will be gone.
People need to think of their morals not treat it like bloody XFactor.

Sorry for sweaty rant, I could cry at the idea of five more years and what that would mean for my family.

ArseDarkly · 09/12/2019 10:44

It's so obvious the NHS is finished under the Tories, they can't even be bothered to lie about it with any conviction.

Next time the arsehole turns up at a hospital for a photo opportunity they should shout him down til he shoves off

But they're probably too exhausted and demoralised to summon up the energy Sad

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Xenia · 09/12/2019 10:56

The Tories have supported the NHS since the 1950s. Do Labour voters really think it will be abolished and they will have to pay for a doctor if the Tories win on Friday?

lonelyplanetmum · 09/12/2019 11:08

Ok I'll fact check the mighty Xenia.

Yes. LibDem, Labour, Green, SNP, Plaid Cymru voters really do see that the NHS is being slowly starved towards abolition. Yes when Tories win on Friday it will be one step closer to having to pay for insurance to see a doctor.

  1. The passing of the Health and Social Care Act in 2012 enforced competition between the NHS, private firms and charities. The impact was immediate. The value of contracts won by the private sector rose by 500% in the two years after that Tory law came in to effect.
ArseDarkly · 09/12/2019 11:11

Yes, we really do.

Probably has something to do with the huge numbers of NHS staff reporting crisis in all areas due to Tory policy and the very obvious intention of Johnson to sell off lucrative parts of the NHS to the USA

Plus the steady drip drip of stories about how maybe we should consider paying a fee to see a GP or for missed appointments, the fact that in my area it's virtually impossible to get a gp appt or access to crucial services people need. So people are forced to go private if they can and if they can't...

Of course they won't get in and announce abolition of the NHS, that's not how Tories work, they will just continue to starve it until they've rendered it useless

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CendrillonSings · 09/12/2019 11:15

Of course they won't get in and announce abolition of the NHS, that's not how Tories work, they will just continue to starve it until they've rendered it useless

The Tories have been in government many times since the NHS was founded, often with big majorities. 20 general elections later, and the NHS is still here and annual spending is hitting and exceeding record levels. If we wanted the NHS gone, it would have been gone years ago. Or are the “evillll Torieeees” not ruthless enough in your mind?

lonelyplanetmum · 09/12/2019 11:17
  1. Despite government claims of “no privatisation” in the NHS, billions of pounds have been increasingly flowing into private companies to run NHS clinical services.

For example Virgin Care were the biggest private sector winner in 2016/17 collecting over £1bn in NHS clinical contracts.

  1. The total Value of contracts awarded through tendering since the Health and Social Care Act came into force is....

£30.3 Billion.
£30.3bn

ArseDarkly · 09/12/2019 11:21

So why is the NHS in crisis? As reported by staff actually working there (as opposed to a Tory HQ bot like you)

Either they're starving it or they are grossly guilty of gross mismanagement. Either way, it is clearly NOT safe in their hands

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Xenia · 09/12/2019 11:24

Both sides are just going to have to agree to differ on this and we shall see who wins on Friday. Someone or other will have been saying the NHS is in crisis from wheni t was first founded. It has always had some private sector involvement - indeed GPs refused to joint the then new NHS at its foundation unless they could continue to be self employed and some NHS patients are quite happy they have rights sometimes to choose a private clinic instead to get faster treatment which is paid for by the NHS. Not all change is always bad.

ThatSeventiesLass · 09/12/2019 11:27

Of course the NHS is going. How can people STILL not see that? The mind boggles.

MaxNormal · 09/12/2019 11:28

The Tories have been in government many times since the NHS was founded, often with big majorities

And those Tories are now either sacked from the party or frantically telling the electorate to vote for someone else.

ArseDarkly · 09/12/2019 11:30

Some people might be happy they can choose the private option and a lot of us don't have that choice. Do you understand that? Or are you so sheltered and surrounded by comfort that you just don't believe it or care about it?

Seems so easy for you to just brush away people's desperate concerns as if they've been invented for the election campaign ffs

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RuffleCrow · 09/12/2019 11:31

Fuck em all

CendrillonSings · 09/12/2019 11:31

The full facts are not on your side...

fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/

Total health spending in England was around £129 billion in 2018/19 and is expected to rise to nearly £134 billion by 2019/20, taking inflation into account.

In 2018/19 around £115 billion was spent on the NHS England budget. The rest was spent by the Department of Health on things like public health initiatives, education, training, and infrastructure (including IT and building new hospitals).

Last year the government announced that an additional £20.5 billion in real terms will be made available for the NHS in England by 2023/24

Of course resources are not unlimited, and demand continues to grow as the population ages, but claims that the Tories are somehow dismantling the NHS by pumping 135 billion pounds a year into it are, frankly, deluded. There are much cheaper ways to dismantle something!

lonelyplanetmum · 09/12/2019 11:33
  1. The number of NHS patients having surgery in private hospitals has trebled since the Conservative/ERG government.
  1. The health service paid for 214,967 operations at private hospitals in 2009-10. That increased to 613,833 in 2018.

That is 185% rise in nine years alone.

Link to The Guardian.

CendrillonSings · 09/12/2019 11:33

And those Tories are now either sacked from the party or frantically telling the electorate to vote for someone else.

So it turns out you could in fact trust those Tories with the NHS, and Labour was lying when they claimed they would close it down? Shock

CendrillonSings · 09/12/2019 11:36

The health service paid for 214,967 operations at private hospitals in 2009-10. That increased to 613,833 in 2018.

That is 185% rise in nine years alone.

So what? I went to a private hospital for treatment recently (for which I paid through my insurance) and while chatting to my taxi driver it turned out he had been sent to the same private hospital for an operation by the NHS and had received quick and excellent care! Looks like a win for everyone, doesn't it?

ArseDarkly · 09/12/2019 11:43

Ah, private health insurance, that would explain why you don't worry about the NHS eh Cendrillon?

How nice for you Smile

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CendrillonSings · 09/12/2019 11:47

You may have missed the part where the person paying for insurance and the one paying nothing on the NHS got the same standard of treatment at the same hospital. Not everything has to be 100% state-run to be good you know - quite the opposite.

lonelyplanetmum · 09/12/2019 11:51
  1. Listen to the health professionals with years of experience and expertise.

The government has
progressively increased privatisation and refused to grant enough of GDP to make free future health care sustainable.

Look -It's deliberate tacit new Conservative policy. Be honest - if you're a politician (or indeed a poster).

Why not Say you believe the NHS just isn't sustainable any more. Be honest.

Say it isn't the function of the successful self made people to subsidise health care for the less fortunate. But Be honest about it.

Say it's tough on some - but that's life.

Say private health care is more efficient and encourages competition. Say it's sad but in nature the fittest are those who survive.

Say that people should work even harder to afford health insurance.

Please be honest. Don't pretend the NHS is safe when it is being slowly and deliberately rationalised and contracted.

A funding increase of 3.4%. Was ok to
" ..help stem further decline but it’s simply not enough to address the fundamental challenges facing the NHS."

" Increases of at least 4% a year are the minimum needed to tackle the backlog of financial problems from eight years of austerity. "

" There are at least 92,000 staff vacancies in the NHS"

"public health spending fell by a fifth in real terms between 2013/14 and 2018/19. "

"The failure to combine front line funding with capital investment, training and public health will directly impact patient care .."

https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/news/health-foundation-response-to-government-announcement-of-additional-nhs-funding

lonelyplanetmum · 09/12/2019 11:56

Not everything has to be 100% state-run to be good you know - quite the opposite.

Actually Cendrillon I'm prepared to give you credit for this. Whilst I don't agree with the Tory/ERG tacit strategy I have far more respect for some one who is honest and says as you do - there are some good things about private health care.

To be fair Farage was honest about this and I wish other politicians would too. As that is clearly the true vision politicians should be honest and persuade us of the merits of their new philosophy.

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