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Westminstenders: 10 day count down

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RedToothBrush · 03/12/2019 17:19

10 days to go...

... Wake me up when the shit show is over.

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cloudydaysinnovember · 05/12/2019 14:49

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UtterlyPerfectCartoonGiraffe · 05/12/2019 14:50

Cendrillion I really don’t think you can throw any comments around about hypocrisy when you flatly refuse to address any of the points I’ve raised about the evils of the conservative government.

Anti semitism = bad. I agree. It’s actually awful.

Permitting the sale of arms and munitions to terrorist supporting regimes = very fucking awful. Yet you won’t come out and condemn it, like you expect labour supporters to condemn Jc.

Anti Islamic behaviour (also rife in the Tory party) = no comment from you.

Or does it only matter to you when words hurt people, not bombs? Or when bad behaviour only affects those a different race to you?

This shit is why I didn’t support labour in the Tony Blair years and why I don’t support the conservatives now.

DoctorTwo · 05/12/2019 14:53

People who feel they have more money in their pocket will spend more, so businesses will do better, so more taxes. And they'll have to employ more people to cover their increased business - so more taxes etc etc etc.

I've been arguing this for ten years. My income hasn't increased in that time so inflation has, in reality, reduced my spending power, suppressing the real income I usually spend in local shops.

thecatfromjapan · 05/12/2019 14:54

This is a handy little app from the NEU which allows you to see what funding will be like for your school under each Party after December 12th.

You just follow the link and type in the name of your school.

schoolcuts.org.uk/

DGRossetti · 05/12/2019 14:55

Interestingly I'm a unilateralist but not a pacifist. There's one for you to conjure with!

Doesn't seem to outre to me ... in fact I'd be happy to be described as that too.

However, my concept of "defence" is quite strict, and doesn't include sending troops half way round the world to attack.

WW2 was defence. The Korean war less so. Probably best not mention the Falklands. Kuwait was just about defence - as part of the obligations of being in an alliance. After that I don't really see it. Iraq ? Clearly not. Afghanistan ? A little too much like marking your own homework.

And given how many wars the UK has managed to get through without nuclear weapons, it does question their worth, if not effectiveness and availability.

dreichXmas · 05/12/2019 14:56

I agree with this as someone who has chosen to vote conservative in the past. Wide sweeping statements about a lack of functioning morals don't win me over.
Considered facts and intellectual challenges do.
I also agree that too few people are encouraged to consider how they benefit from a society with a good safety net, even if they themselves never need it.
@cloudydaysinnovember

tobee · 05/12/2019 14:57

Don't worry about Cendrillon. She/he is a Tory remainer and doesn't think much of the current Tory leadership, if I remember correctly, if they post genuinely, and comes on here to post for free mental healthcare.

In fact, I think there's a high probability that they are actually a fully paid up Labour Party member in disguise, given the way they manage to shore up, even convert to Labour some of us with their proclamations.

Icantreachthepretzels · 05/12/2019 14:59

I was thinking more of personal costs. People who go against the industrial military complex aren't going to get a great many Christmas - or Hanukkah - cards.

You've lost me DGR Grin
What are you talking about?

StarbucksSmarterSister · 05/12/2019 15:06

Corbyn is an anti-semite from a family steeped in antisemitism.

Utter bollocks. His mother was noted from her stance against anti semitism.

No idea about his brother or his son (I'll have to look up) but making remarks which are anti the state of Israel is not the same as being anti semitic.

Piggywaspushed · 05/12/2019 15:09

cat, I have posted that link twice. No one seems much interested but I ma! My own school (Tory heartland and one of those historically underfunded) set to los ££££££s under the Tories and gain £££s under Labour.

This is a fact not even my own head seems to know!

Piggywaspushed · 05/12/2019 15:10

Why so many deletions today? I keep missing the bantz...

UtterlyPerfectCartoonGiraffe · 05/12/2019 15:13

tobee thank you for that info Smile I think that being a Tory remainer is a tricky enough position that Cendrillion has my sympathy.

We’re all fighting our own fights Grin

Apparently, me vs Boris Johnson is mine! I need a new hobby...

mrslaughan · 05/12/2019 15:20

I am praying for snow starting Wednesday night.....heavy snow

Icantreachthepretzels · 05/12/2019 15:32

I am praying for snow starting Wednesday night.....heavy snow

And for commuters - if there is heavy snow, then you're going to be late for work anyway - so make sure you vote before you go into work. And then just blame it on the weather and traffic. Don't trust that the trains/ buses will still be running by home time and so end up too late/ exhausted to get to the polls.

Alsohuman · 05/12/2019 15:55

Just been directed to this via Twitter. Scary stuff.

nhscuts.org.uk/

GeistohneGrenzen · 05/12/2019 15:56

pretzels
You've lost me DGR grin
What are you talking about?

All I can think of is WFH equals no office parties no secret santa no Christmas cards? Come and enlighten us DGR Grin

Icantreachthepretzels · 05/12/2019 16:01

I don't understand American politics and I don't follow it particularly closely (we have enough of a shit show on our own hands!) but Nancy Pelosi is asking to proceed with the articles of impeachment for Trump.

I'm not sure if this is huge - or just part of the ongoing drama. But I thought I'd mention it.

MockersFactCheckMN · 05/12/2019 16:10

Utter bollocks. ...No idea about his brother or his son (I'll have to look up)

How are you getting on?

Tom Corbyn's jew-hating and jew-baiting go back to his student days, and he recently showed nothing has changed with his personal attacks on Tracey-Ann Oberman, who is not an Israeli.

As for Piers Corbyn, the fruitcake climate-change denier who thinks George Soros is behind it all, well.....

DGRossetti · 05/12/2019 16:11

I was thinking more of personal costs. People who go against the industrial military complex aren't going to get a great many Christmas - or Hanukkah - cards.

It was a suggestion that if you go up against people whose livelihood depends on keeping the industrial-military complex going, then don't be surprised if they take industrial-military measures against you. With a twist of ambiguity for the less discerning reader Grin

MockersFactCheckMN · 05/12/2019 16:12

....It's rather like Carol Thtacher's genuine amazement when people objected to her calling Jo-Wilf Tsonga a golliwog. When you grow up in a racist household, this stuff is normal.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/12/2019 16:21

pretzels afaik, consensus of US analysts is still that Trump will be impeached by the House, but not the Senate, where there is a Republican majority.

I doubt if any likely further revelations would make much difference:
Trump has vastly exceeded the criminal wrongdoing of Richard Nixon and has even been disloyal to his country.
However, unlike then, Republican politicians are not turning on him now the evidence is there

  • and they are not under pressure from their own voters to remove him. Au contraire

His staunchest supporters in the country will continue to vote for him - those he said would do so even if he went out and shot someone dead in Times Square

However, what will moderate Republicans do ?
Depends partly on who the Democrats choose

thecatfromjapan · 05/12/2019 16:22

Spotted this on Twitter.

Westminstenders: 10 day count down
Icantreachthepretzels · 05/12/2019 16:30

afaik, consensus of US analysts is still that Trump will be impeached by the House, but not the Senate, where there is a Republican majority.

Yes, that's what my mum just told me as well. Spoilsports Grin

Alsohuman · 05/12/2019 16:31

Hoping this works. This Telegraph columnist is about as far right as it gets, my jaw dropped when I read this.

Tories’ anaemic campaign is courting disaster
Enslavement to yesterday’s logic could see the Conservatives squander the chance to make history

Sherelle Jacobs
The Westminster bubble still has not twigged that we teeter on the edge of the most thrilling realignment in modern history. It is too distracted by a red herring – the polls that wildly flap between a chaotic hung Parliament and a Tory majority. In this high-stakes election, the rush to dissect each fresh, contradicting opinion tracker – and, yes, foam at the drip of support back to Labour – is understandable. But in our quasi-religious fixation on the polls, we are in danger of missing something crucial: the Conservatives’ enslavement to the cult of yesterday’s logic. Specifically, the Tory strategy is disastrously stuck in the past, even though the Lib Dem implosion has blown up its playbook.
With a week still to go, the polls shouldn’t be taken as a prediction so much as a warning that, in cautiously “sticking to the script”, the Tories are, counter-intuitively, taking a whopping gamble. Their “safety first” game plan is as follows: creep ahead by taking enough seats across the rust-belt to make up for a smattering of losses across Remainia. Meanwhile, let the Lib Dems split Labour’s vote. But Remainers are now ditching the Rainbow Despot, Jo Swinson. Her narcissistic presidential campaign has failed to distract from the lurid immorality of her policy to revoke Article 50. Which renders the original Tory strategy obsolete.
And yet, in the Tory camp, there is a chilling reluctance to believe anything has changed. One detects a hint of wishful thinking in their jaw-clamped insistence that the Lib Dems might yet fare better against Labour than indicated in recent polls. Still, a sliver of panic has started to set in. The trouble is that it is stirring the Tories into a last-ditch effort, not so much to change their strategy as to turn up the volume.
The plan as we enter these final days seems to be to shock and awe the South with glass-shatteringly shrill premonitions of economic chaos under Labour – and hammer home that a vote for Jeremy Corbyn would be an operatic act of self-harm by the bourgeois intelligentsia.
The latter strand of the Tories’ approach is inspired by their delight at the depth of Corbyn’s unpopularity in the Midlands and the North. As one senior Tory put it to me, he is no longer the heartlands’ “blue-eyed grandpa”, so much as the “Christmas Grinch” – with every day that passes, from Derby to Doncaster, he is more loathed. So too are his hardcore supporters, whose deranged tactics – from distributing knitted Corbynista dolls to graffitiing Tory constituency offices – have disgusted locals.
The problem with pumping out vague anti-Labour slogans that worked elsewhere with ever-greater intensity is that the South is a different country. There, the Tories can beat the drum of Corbageddon all they like – Remainers have heard it all before. Such voters are not yet unreachable, but the Tories’ inability to change course betrays a jarring lack of emotional intelligence. It’s not so much that aggressive anti-Left campaigning can’t be effective as that they urgently need to refine their message.
That means taking on specific wack-job policies more aggressively. As Corbyn courts the national press to make dramatic attacks on the Americanisation of the NHS, the Conservatives should be holding press conferences on the idiocy of nationalising everything. And then there’s the “vision thing”. Pushing Boris Johnson as a cherubic beacon of positivity is not enough, particularly in constituencies where people regard him as a lying devil.
Instead, the Tories need to push more ambitious policies. One undecided millennial voter who is agnostic on Brexit and not particularly tribal told me this week that she is leaning towards Labour because it is the “change party”. Where are Dominic Cummings’ blueprints for a tech-driven Narnia to counter Labour’s retro-analogue version of the future?
A more sophisticated line of attack in the South would give the Tories more confidence to blast through the Red Wall in the North. Final-week panic about their weakness in London and surrounding seats risks holding the Conservatives back in the Labour heartlands. This is a disaster, because if the Lib Dems fail to split the Labour vote, the Tories need to win even more seats to make up for this.
Candidates in the North East in particular are starting to crackle with excitement that Sedgefield (Tony Blair’s old seat), North Durham and even the gruffly socialist Redcar may be up for grabs. That the PPCs for these were chosen early in the campaign is a sign that, on the ground, the Tories mean business. But the anaemic national campaign could yet botch things. Mr Johnson’s panicked refusal to welcome the US President with open arms for this week’s Nato summit – for fear it would put irk Remainers – was a missed opportunity to play the real trump card of this election: the unpatriotic Corbyn’s destructiveness to Britain’s standing.
The natural party of government is probably still on course for a majority of sorts. It is a tragedy, however, that they are allowing this historic opportunity for a landslide be bogged down by sloppy Tory mediocrity.

Follow Sherelle Jacobs on Twitter @SherelleEJ; read more at telegraph.co.uk/opinion
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ListeningQuietly · 05/12/2019 16:52

{sadface}
Tory leaflet arrived today addressed to DH and the kids but not me
Grin

{PMSLface}
More Brexit MEPs leaving Nigel's coven
No sign of the Gammon's demanding they stand down and force by elections for changing party
I wonder why Wink

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