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Westminstenders: Frozen

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RedToothBrush · 29/11/2019 15:45

Boris Johnson was empty chaired by C4 with a block of ice.

The Conservatives went mental and have threatened to look at C4 broadcast remit.

This is illiberal and anti democratic.

Journalists are supposed to hold power to account on behalf of the public. If MPs don't turn up then they can't be held to account.

They have a duty to show. It's not good enough to avoid scrutiny because it might make you look bad. That's the whole point.

The contempt with which Johnson holds the press and public is reprehensible and you should be concerned whatever your political alligence. It allows corruption to fester without consequence.

And to then threaten C4 because they do their job in line with their responsibility as a broadcaster is alarming.

This is how authoritarian dictators work.

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borntobequiet · 01/12/2019 06:58

I must get me down the betting shop. Thanks, lonely!

frumpety · 01/12/2019 07:49

Anyone hear the sonic boom in London ?

ContinuityError · 01/12/2019 08:19

More lying Tories:

Priti Patel response to an Yvette Cooper tweet asking why Usman has been released:

Because legislation brought in by your government in 2008 meant that dangerous terrorists had to automatically be released after half of their jail term. Conservatives changed the law in 2012 to end your automatic release policy but Khan was convicted before this

And The Secret Barrister’s reply:

This is a lie. Many types of sentence have long been available to courts to ensure that a dangerous offender was not automatically released. Stop lying.

Meanwhile Johnson, despite the unwritten agreement not to use the London Bridge for political ends, has blatantly lied about when Usman was sentenced - saying it was 11 years ago (so during a Labour Government). Usman was sentenced in 2012.

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WeshMaGueule · 01/12/2019 08:20

I saw a thing on FB yesterday where Bernie Sanders was askign Americans for their most outrageous healthcare charges. Women were being charged for room and board for stillborn babies.

WeshMaGueule · 01/12/2019 08:21

twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1173027398356545537

ContinuityError · 01/12/2019 08:23

*Usman Khan (not Usman)

Piggywaspushed · 01/12/2019 08:25

It's also extraordinarily stupid to say that he will keep us safe from terror : the minute there is a terror attack what will he then say? Well, I trued...but you just can't always keep to your promises?

mrslaughan · 01/12/2019 08:31

In the USA- @mathanxiety is right - the insurance companies have caused an inflation of prices. And it doesn't necessarily mean you have more choice - some medical professionals will not accept you as a patient if you are insured with a particular company.

However a healthcare system that has private and public healthcare working side by side does not have to be like the USA. I have said before that I feel that the NHS needs reform. The thing that scares me is this current incarnation of the Tory party leading it. The seem to have not a bone of social responsibility in their bodies - and are so in love with Trump - it will get completely fucked up...... the thought is really very scary.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 01/12/2019 08:35

Google bans eight different Tory election adverts as disinformation concerns mount

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-general-election-advert-ban-google-fake-news-manifesto-labour-a9223846.html

thecatfromjapan · 01/12/2019 08:42

I heard the sonic boom, frumpety.
I thought it was something falling down in the room next door and was very puzzled.
I'm in South London.

longtimelurkerhelen · 01/12/2019 08:43

Yet another "taken out of context" moment for our fine upstanding PM.

twitter.com/SamStev97679716/status/1201038731232337920

chomalungma · 01/12/2019 08:44

I really hope that Andrew Marr challenges Johnson.

Songsofexperience · 01/12/2019 08:47

A sonic boom? What on earth could that be? I thought they were banned over populated areas.

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RedToothBrush · 01/12/2019 08:53

Re the NHS and privatisation / two tier system.

I think there would be a lot of people looking back at the concept of the dementia tax saying how they wished that had happened because of how fair and reasonable it was...

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DustyDiamond · 01/12/2019 08:53

A sonic boom? What on earth could that be? I thought they were banned over populated areas.

QRA

The armed forces working to keep people safe as always - 24/7 365 days a year

Songsofexperience · 01/12/2019 08:54

Just saw the news re RAF jets scrambled because of unresponsive plane.

DrBlackbird · 01/12/2019 09:03

The US has the highest health care expenditures as a share of GDP, as a share of total health spending per capita in the world. Yet has some shocking health statistics in terms of maternal deaths etc. It is also very expensive for employers and the state.

This is not the health care model we would want in the UK.

Other countries such as the South Africa model have people paying twice as much GDP as the U.K. on 'voluntary' (but not really voluntary) i.e.those that can pay do to get better health care. State funded hospitals are pretty dire. Do we want such a two tier system here?

NHS is/can be a great model and be cost efficient.... with the political will. Or at the very least, if it was stopped being used as a political football.

data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm

DrBlackbird · 01/12/2019 09:13

Pharmaceutical companies have some of the highest profit margins in the world i.e. with some in the 35-45% range. Whilst most SMEs operate in the 5% profit margin range. Easy to see where those juicy margins come from when you read about how (according to the U.S. Government Accountability Office) consumer spending on drugs has doubled since the 1990s, mainly due to the high cost of prescription drugs.

thecatfromjapan · 01/12/2019 09:14

Hope this is OK.

I'm going to post a link to another thread on MN.

I, personally, think it demonstrates how deep, how complicated, the cuts to education are. And how those cuts are being done through SEND provision. And how those cuts are exacting a dreadful human cost.

They hit vulnerable children and they contribute, inch by inch, to the 'teacher retention problem' - which impacts on everybody in the state school system.

The problem is so deep, so widespread, and is disguised so often as individual failings by a school, an LEA, an individual teacher (and sometimes, horribly, as an difficult child/children) that we really aren't grasping the extent and reach of the issue.

Where to get counselling? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_staffroom/3757370-where-to-get-counselling

JustAnotherPoster00 · 01/12/2019 09:54

No one here will be suprised just look at the time stamps

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MockersFactCheckMN · 01/12/2019 09:58

Johnson on Marr now barefaced lying about the London Bridge killer, being called out for it by Marr and contiuing to repeat the lie, which if you repeat it often enough, etc...

Killer was not "Released under Labour's Early Release Scheme" (Which the Conservatives retained for many years.) He was sentenced to an indeterminate sentence which was abolished by the Coalition.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 01/12/2019 10:02

The Secret Barrister
@BarristerSecret
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The Prime Minister has basically copied and pasted my blogpost into a thread and passed it off as his own explanation.

A blogpost which I had to write to rebut the lies he spent yesterday spouting.

This is weapons grade shithousery.

chomalungma · 01/12/2019 10:05

This interview is fascinating

longtimelurkerhelen · 01/12/2019 10:10

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!!!!!!

According to Boris, there are fewer children in poverty now than in 2010 and the rich/poor gap has reduced!!!!!! How does he get away with barefaced lies?