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Westminstenders: Frozen

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RedToothBrush · 29/11/2019 15:45

Boris Johnson was empty chaired by C4 with a block of ice.

The Conservatives went mental and have threatened to look at C4 broadcast remit.

This is illiberal and anti democratic.

Journalists are supposed to hold power to account on behalf of the public. If MPs don't turn up then they can't be held to account.

They have a duty to show. It's not good enough to avoid scrutiny because it might make you look bad. That's the whole point.

The contempt with which Johnson holds the press and public is reprehensible and you should be concerned whatever your political alligence. It allows corruption to fester without consequence.

And to then threaten C4 because they do their job in line with their responsibility as a broadcaster is alarming.

This is how authoritarian dictators work.

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TatianaLarina · 30/11/2019 16:54

A scared population is so much easier to order around. So much so that you'd be a lunatic not to be tempted to deliberately scare your population to make them more pliant.

Indeed.

“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”

Alsohuman · 30/11/2019 17:04

Latest poll

Ashley Cowburn
@ashcowburn
New BMG poll for
@Independent
cuts Conservative lead to just six points.

  • Conservatives - 39%
  • Labour - 33%
  • Lib Dems - 13%
  • Brexit Party - 4%
  • Greens - 5%
tobee · 30/11/2019 17:04

Got 3LibDem leaflets today! One for the entire family, one for my dc together, and then one each ! Confused

One of which fanfared this:

Westminstenders: Frozen
Violetparis · 30/11/2019 17:12

Just remembered Trump arrives early this week, he is scheduled to do a press conference with Boris at some point, will be interesting !

DGRossetti · 30/11/2019 17:14

Just remembered Trump arrives early this week, he is scheduled to do a press conference with Boris at some point, will be interesting !

Wasn't there a story that the Tories have suddenly felt that seeing Boris and Trump french kissing is a definite vote loser and are trying to come up with inventive ways to prevent it happening ?

Motheroffourdragons · 30/11/2019 17:15

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 30/11/2019 17:27

I'm sure our ploppers will be on to tell us how amazing that poll is right? I mean they did when it was a 19 point lead and I mean theyre still ahead in the polls so still goad worthy right?

Motheroffourdragons · 30/11/2019 17:37

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KeithPartridge · 30/11/2019 17:41

Brilliant to see that the gap is closing. Maybe I can let myself have hope again.

placemats · 30/11/2019 17:46

Don't get me wrong, Alsohuman, I think Sturgeon is fantastic when it comes to debating. She wipes the floor with those she doesn't agree with.

Greykitten · 30/11/2019 17:47

It was the Polish chef who used the Narwhal tusk

Ah yes you're right. For something that happened in public view the reporting seems very piecemeal.

I also just saw that the man who vaulted the barrier and later was seen walking away with the knife was a plain clothes officer (transport police).

With regard to the man out on licence for murder who helped bring down the terrorist: you don't have to think that he is a hero to believe that even people who have committed serious crimes may be capable of rehabilitation.

Stinkyeddie · 30/11/2019 17:48

I'm very happy with our local labour candidste which, of course, made my decision easier.
Dh and I have postal votes so they have been sent already.

placemats · 30/11/2019 17:49

I get it now DGR. Thank you for the clarification. It helped.

Stinkyeddie · 30/11/2019 17:50

Now, now just...
You know very well that the only polls that are correct are the ones that show the tories with a 9000 point lead and that jeremy corbyn is, in fact, Satan.
😁🙄

placemats · 30/11/2019 17:51

I hate that phrase too tobee. Glad I'm not alone!

lonelyplanetmum · 30/11/2019 17:54

It was the Polish chef who used the Narwhal tusk

And will a Polish citizen working hard here, helping to kill our home grown British terrorist finally make the penny drop?

The terrorists that triggered their anti EU xenophobic reaction are nothing to do with EU membership -and never were.

placemats · 30/11/2019 17:55

Maxnormal That was disgusting that tweet.

However, it got me thinking. If someone made up a tweet about Johnson, no one would blink a Matt Hancock eyelid.

Greykitten · 30/11/2019 18:16

From Secret Barrister on Twitter:

  • Sentencing guidelines have changed multiple times since 2010. More changes won't necessarily make people safer.
  • More importantly, "prisons and probation have been devastated since 2010. The protective factors we rely upon to make offenders safer have been slashed by governments looking for a quick and easy cut."
DGRossetti · 30/11/2019 18:25

With regard to the man out on licence for murder who helped bring down the terrorist: you don't have to think that he is a hero to believe that even people who have committed serious crimes may be capable of rehabilitation.

If you don't believe - and live your life by that - you aren't a Christian but a cunty hypocrite.

I'll leave that there, and await the "yeah,buts".

DGRossetti · 30/11/2019 18:28

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-latest-poll-boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn-bmg-hung-parliament-a9227476.html

The Conservative lead in the general election campaign has been more than halved in just one week, putting the UK in “hung parliament territory”, an exclusive poll for The Independent shows.

Boris Johnson’s party is now only six points ahead of Labour, it has found – matching other surveys suggesting the race is tightening dramatically, amid growing Tory nervousness.

Jeremy Corbyn is successfully winning back the support of voters threatening to defect to other parties, the poll by BMG Research shows, taking his party’s rating up five points to 33 per cent.

The Conservatives, meanwhile, have dipped two points to 39 per cent, six points ahead instead of the 13 points in BMG’s survey a week ago.

Crucially, polling experts believe a lead of at least six points will be needed to deliver the Commons majority Mr Johnson is seeking – and his Brexit deal in January.

Robert Struthers, BMG’s head of polling, said there was growing evidence Labour is “starting to build momentum” ahead of the election on 12 December.

“The shifts we have witnessed in our headline voting intention figures take the Conservative lead from a likely majority into possible hung parliament territory,” he said.

The results come at the end of a week when Mr Johnson has faced a torrent of criticism over everything from his previous attacks on single mothers and working class men to ducking out of a grilling by Andrew Neil.

In the wake of the London Bridge terror attack, the prime minister faced difficult questions over the early release from prison of the attacker, although the BMG research was carried out before the atrocity.

Tory strategists are worried the arrival of Donald Trump for a Nato summit in London on Tuesday is a moment of potential danger, fearing what the unpredictable US president will say or do.

On Friday, Mr Johnson took the highly unusual step of urging him not to intervene in the election campaign – knowing his backing would backfire – and the pair are unlikely to hold a face-to-face meeting.

The BMG research shows the Liberal Democrats continuing their slide, down five points, while the Brexit Party is marooned on just four per cent, behind the Greens on five per cent.

Jo Swinson’s party had hoped to scoop up most Remain voters from the 2016 referendum, but the poll shows more drifting to Labour – 46 per cent, up from 39 per cent last week.

The Conservatives are worried the Lib Dems’ troubles are leading to the Remain vote coalescing behind Labour and its promise of a Final Say referendum.

Vince Cable, the former Lib Dem leader, criticised his party’s policy of revoking Article 50 – now all but ignored in its campaign – as always “wildly improbable”.

“We were never going to get 350 MPs, so the policy had been and should be to argue for the people’s vote, going back to the public, to the referendum with support for Remain,” he said.

Mr Struthers pointed to Labour voters coming home, with 73 per cent of those who backed the party at the 2017 election now planning to do the same on 12 December – up from 67 per cent a week ago.

In contrast, the Tories had “less room for growth”, having already banked most Brexit Party supporters, after Nigel Farage’s decision to pull out of Conservative-held seats.

Mr Johnson’s party is backed by 70 per cent of Leave voters, and although Labour has attracted only 17 per cent, that figure is up four points in a week.

“The key question for the remainder of the campaign is the extent to which Labour can continue to squeeze the Liberal Democrat and Green vote,” Mr Struthers said.

“If this trend continues, this election could be much closer than it looked just a matter of weeks ago.”

BMG questioned 1,663 voters between 27 and 29 November

Alsohuman · 30/11/2019 18:29

Wasn't there a story that the Tories have suddenly felt that seeing Boris and Trump french kissing is a definite vote loser and are trying to come up with inventive ways to prevent it happening ?

There was, but they won’t have found any inventive ways of keeping Trump’s gob shut or stopping him tweeting.

DGRossetti · 30/11/2019 18:29

I wonder if crossing another payday has had any impact ?

DGRossetti · 30/11/2019 18:34

Imagine trying to even ask Donnie T not to say anything in case it upsets people ? Especially if his people are keen to get the message back to the US voters that Donald Trump is a respected worldwide leader that other leaders turn to for advice

The idea of Team Donald shitting all over Team Boris in the cause of Donald Trump is too seductive for a God that we know must have a Sense Of Humour. It's up there with the Nazis being unable to burn Hitlers body as they'd run our of petrol ....

TatianaLarina · 30/11/2019 18:36

We have had zero canvassers which given this is a three way marginal is not impressive.