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The Brexit Arms - Counting Down the Days...

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SingingLily · 27/11/2019 09:06

Welcome to the Brexit Arms!

We are temporarily under new management but worry not, the ship is still steady as we sail on to 12 December. A quick recap of the events of the last week or two:

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Anyone of any political persuasion who is prepared to join in, eschew goadery, and enjoy a laugh, welcome. First drinks are on the house.

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SingingLily · 02/12/2019 14:49

Without wanting to get into the whole abortion debate - because that's a whole other thread, and I am sorry now I derailed - abortion is legal in the UK up to a time limit, with medical consultation and agreement, for specific reasons. There might well be an argument for revisiting that. However, my understanding is that criminalisation would only apply if abortion was carried out outside the limits placed in statute.

The manifesto says "decriminalise abortion". Full stop. That can only mean outside the current legal limits.

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EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 02/12/2019 14:53

“However, my understanding is that criminalisation would only apply if abortion was carried out outside the limits placed in statute.
The manifesto says "decriminalise abortion". Full stop. That can only mean outside the current legal limits.”

It’s certainly confusing!

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 02/12/2019 14:56

And don’t be sorry Singing! We discuss plenty of other policies here, so it’s a fair shout to throw it on the table. Albeit a rightly contentious topic! Wink

SingingLily · 02/12/2019 14:57

Yes, sorry.

Coffee and panettone time again, I think.

I'll stick to polling.

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EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 02/12/2019 14:58

And if nothing else, it proves we (in the arms) are not at all, the unblinking, homogeneous mess that some would paint us as! Grin

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 02/12/2019 14:59

“I'll stick to polling.”

Don’t you bloody dare! I love our wide ranging topics! Wink

SingingLily · 02/12/2019 15:00

It also proves, Epic, that you and I are not the same poster WinkGrin

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EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 02/12/2019 15:02

“It also proves, Epic, that you and I are not the same poster winkgrin”

🙌🙌🙌🙌😂

SingingLily · 02/12/2019 15:10

I've signed in, Epic. Huge thanks to you for taking over the tenure.

To all the regulars, thank you for calling in and making this a place of bonhomie and good cheer.

To all the occasional visitors, thank you for patronising the Arms. I'm sure we will see you again.

I've kept the kitchen up to Xing's immaculate standards and Comrade Hilda's muriel and ducks still have pride of place in the snug.

Now handing over....Good luck, Epic!

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DustyDiamond · 02/12/2019 16:03

Thanks for hosting the thread Lily 🥰🥰

You were totes amaze!!

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EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 02/12/2019 16:52

Cheers to Lily! 🥂

XingMing · 02/12/2019 17:11

If I might scroll back up to the discussion of Big Pharma. Between 1987 and 2010, my work was writing company annual reports and I worked on a lot, in all sorts of industries, one of them being pharmaceuticals. It takes on average the examination of many thousand compounds (animal, vegetable and mineral) to identify ONE that might hold some potential as a treatment; it will be five to eight years in the lab before that promise is proven; 95% of everything tested out will be discarded. It will then take longer still, in animal trials, before the compound is deemed sufficiently safe to be trialled on humans, initially with a small group of terminally ill folk who are out of options. If they show improvement and the side-effects are within defined parameters, then the pharmaceutical company will go into phase 2 clinical trials of a much larger (thousands of participants) of a double-blind programme over a period of months or years. If those are equally good, then the company will work out how the drug can be manufactured in prescribable quantities. At some stage, a patent will have been applied for but the art comes in not applying too soon, because the patent only gives 10/15 years of exclusive rights to manufacture and profit from sales before the patent expires and any other drug company, which has not spent a penny of the £20+ million development costs (1990s figures -- this is my historic stuff, so won't bear forensic scrutiny) can make a cheap generic version, which is mostly what the NHS buys unless there is no choice. It also has to be marketed so doctors know about it, and that costs bundles too. And sometimes you'll discover a medication that only has value to poor people who can't pay for it. There is a drug called Mectizan (made by Merck) which prevents blindness resulting from the bites of a fly in parts of Africa. It wasn't what it was developed for, but they still make it AFAIK, because it's important. So big drug companies also need to support their 'orphan' drugs too.

It costs a pharmaceutical company far far more to bring one new drug into safe use than you would believe and the failure rate is triple that in creative industries. One hit movie or a music act pays for thousands of failures, also-rans and straight to video dogs. (I also worked on the shareholder reports for a global entertainment organisation for several years). When a company's management is good at picking winners, their shares soar but too many failures and out the door they go. Hence the high salaries and the close attention the investment analysts take in who's hot and who's not.

Lecture over, except to say that when you understand this, it explains why the focus is always on drugs to treat the problems of well-off populations of chronically (not terminally) ill people. And why savaging big pharma will do more harm than good. Ditto for most companies with traded shares.

What else are our pension funds going to invest in, other than corporate equities and debt securities, if they are going to meet liabilities that won't be paid out until retirement, perhaps 40 or 50 years away? Pension funds can't stick it in the building society at 0.115% if they are going to grow and beat inflation. Sorry to bang on.

Doubletrouble99 · 02/12/2019 20:04

Interesting Xing, I worked in Pharma sales for many years, for several different large Pharma companies. The first area I worked in was Asthma in the early 90s when incentives for surgeries to have clinics started. I trained practice nurses how to ensure patients had the best technique to use their devices and ran completely free national training days. Later I worked in the Osteoporosis field and did a lot of work with orthopaedic depts. where there was little knowledge of the disease. This type of work was little known by the politicians and has now been virtually removed by successive regulations.

GreenishMe · 06/12/2019 18:58

Evening All

....just been reading through the posts on the hysterical (not ha ha) aibu thread regarding BJ winning but there were quite a few saying they fear JC more. I was surprised tbh - it's actually made me feel a little more hopeful. :)

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 06/12/2019 19:11

So they should Greenish, he is not the cozy grandpa figure he presents as on the outside. It’s the biggest con ever. Terrorist supporting, dirty, antisemitic, two faced, Mao loving, lying bastards. They don’t care about people, they care about power, by any means. The pound shop giveaways are just a clever ruse to con people, hopefully, people won’t be conned. But I have a glimmer of hope, that people will spot an evangelical snake oil salesman when they see one.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 06/12/2019 20:36

ding ding round two

DustyDiamond · 19/01/2020 20:18

@Walkingdeadfangirl - I've pm'd you hun 😍

ListeningQuietly · 19/01/2020 20:32

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TheGhostOfEpicPast · 19/01/2020 20:38

Oooh... people did see through it!

TheGhostOfEpicPast · 19/01/2020 20:39

Thank god! I shudder to think we could be living in the Corbyn wasteland by now....

TheGhostOfEpicPast · 19/01/2020 20:39

It must have been the Boris Bulldozer...

TheGhostOfEpicPast · 19/01/2020 20:39

Brexit

TheGhostOfEpicPast · 19/01/2020 20:40

Is

TheGhostOfEpicPast · 19/01/2020 20:40

Still

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