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The weekend has seen the leaders question time debates.

Johnson failed to answer a question and the BBC edited later edited footage to change laughter at him to applause.

Swinson continues to prove that the Lib Dem campaign planners don't understand the electorate. They based the campaign around her and the more the public see her and the more she opens her gob she proves she's the witless headgirl who really knows fuck all.

Corbyn has now adopted a neutral 2nd referendum position. Far too late.

Jo Johnson apparently said that a good election manifesto is one people aren’t talking about 48 hrs later, and it seems that the Conservatives really have gone for that strategy.

Johnson had promised a manifesto for change yet of the three main parties it seems far from that. It avoids controversy for the most part, but also doesn't offer solutions to some of our biggest problems like social care. But with the Tories so ahead in the polls, the status quo and making sure they don't have a repeat of the 'dementia tax' car crash seems to be the order of the day. Because Brexit is going to going to provide a magic solution instead...

Meanwhile the Labour Party have gone completely the other way and really have gone for it and come up with ideas. With a mixed response from the public and press.

And I still can't tell you what is in the LD one, cos Prince Andrew...

This week should see the election come into focus as postal voting starts. As it stands its hard to bet on anything but a Tory majority.

An old gimmer might be physically in their 70s/80s, but still feel 19 inside. Most days. Well said. I'm the same myself.

Am I allowed a brief moment of schenafraude? However bad today has felt for us mere mortals, Trump has had it worse. He has managed to pardon turkeys, misgender a dog (bang on-trend!) and his aides are due to testify before Congress impeachment hearing.

A tough old gimmer who absolutely rocks:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/25/eighty-two-year-old-woman-beats-up-burglar-broke-into-home

An 82-year-old female body builder beat up a 28-year-old man who tried to break into her home in Rochester, New York

“I’m alone and I’m old, but guess what – I’m tough
.....
He picked the wrong house to break into.”
🤛🏼🤛🏼

I am guessing most of us are in the 35 - 45 age bracket?

Nope. Way off.

Too right Dusty, I haven't seen any racism at all in the Arms.

Whenever I've views the Arms I've not seen racism. Weird alternative reality, but no racism

Thanks for that derxa it just crossed my mind earlier today what exactly is is a gimmer

I’m under that age bracket - really interested in tomorrow’s yougov poll - not sure what I want to see though - if labour polls well will it be to it’s detriment?

"old gimmer" is an unflattering term for the less capable elderly that I've seen used by some detective writers of the 1930s - 1960s period
I think a lot of MNers read that period litterature < eyes missClimpson >

I've read the term for many years and only learned from this thread that it originally referred to lambs - and still does

Westministenders is often very educational

I keep thinking of that old thing about how the young are left and as you get older you veer right.

Personally, the 80s was my decade. Thatcher got in on my 18th birthday (I didnt get a vote) the 80s were absolutely brilliant for me career wise (London, PR, amazing times, on the property ladder etc).

I think I did vote Tory in the election post 79; but now that I am older I am veering more and more left - the current situation cannot continue.

About 52 mins into this video, Swinson claims a lesbian entering a women's refuge is a comparable risk to a transwoman, i.e. a biological male
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www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000bqht/the-andrew-marr-show-24112019

"old gimmer" is an unflattering term for the less capable elderly that I've seen used by some detective writers of the 1930s - 1960s period

has a slightly Wild West USAian vibe, I think ...

I watched it Bellini. I thought Corbyn did reasonably well. I'm sure people will read into it according to how they feel already.

Questions were anti-semitism, manifesto can't be paid for, and UK security. And Brexit.

I'm not sure how I'd feel if I were a completely undecided voter. I think if you were leaning towards Labour anyway it wouldn't put you off. If you are afraid of Islamist terrorists attacking the UK because Jeremy Corbyn won't kill the leader of ISIS you might not vote Labour.

The anti-Semitism is the same old thing, JC saying it's wrong and Labour are taking steps to stamp it out and have taken steps and are taking more steps. That seemed to be the longest part.

High tax payers will emigrate, oh no they won't, oh yes they will, oh no they won't, oh yes they will.

Waspi women - you'll have to borrow 60 billion.

If I have to I will. Because it's morally the right thing to do, and that money should have been costed for and provided for by the previous government.

Can't remember if there was anything else. It was a bit weird really. Oh Brexit and the neutral thing.

Who'd campaign for a leave vote under a Corbyn deal if you aren't going to, what will you be doing?

I'll be running the government and supporters will campaign. There's more to the country than Brexit.

That's roughly it. I've probably left out something really important.

I’m in the 35-45 age bracket, but only just, like dreich. I will most certainly not be voting Tory.

The theory that getting older means becoming more rightwing is based on people becoming more prosperous in their 30s, 40s & 50s, hence wanting to protect their wealth

However, in recent years, increasing numbers in that age group haven't experienced much accumulation of wealth or improved standard of living; instead they are still struggling, many still in the precariat

Hence the age at which statistically a person is more likely to be Tory than Labour increased at the 2017 GE to 47.
I wonder if this "turning point age" is even higher now

From where I was age 20 I've still got a ways to go to become a Tory

what exactly is is a gimmer
Well I sell gimmers.
Gimmer: a female ewe lamb that will be kept as a breeding female . A gimmer typically becomes a ewe after her first shearing.

I'm in that bracket but heading out. I used to be more right wing, in Ireland, in the 1980s. But I grew out of it and matured into a more ethical person, realising that all people should have dignity. My only excuse is that I was a child.

I’m north of that age bracket too. Since the referendum three and a half years ago, I’ve passed from one age bracket to solidly inside the next one.

It’s sad how great a proportion of all our lives this chaos is lasting.

www.patheos.com/blogs/writingfromtheedge/2019/11/as-a-british-jew-im-not-fearful-of-a-corbyn-government-but-im-horrified-at-how-antisemitism-is-being-used-against-him/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=share_bar&fbclid=IwAR0bxEu8ioF45ps4HJ1wFCOC8B7TDoZI_BlsF_FLVx4wDY6VBsNDorXL0_w#QFiLrVoFom7XAKvc.01

Hence the age at which statistically a person is more likely to be Tory than Labour increased at the 2017 GE to 47.
I wonder if this "turning point age" is even higher now

It will.

We have friends who are om early fifties and friends in their late 30s.

Even though they have similar career paths (including some at the same company), the younger ones all married later and had kids later and bought homes which are substantially smaller in the same area. And these are well off people comparitively speaking.

There are more 35 - 45 year olds who have never been able to buy and are still part of 'generation rent' or are in small 'starter home' properties with a couple of kids and unable to move up the ladder to the 'family home' than in previous generations.

That has massive implications for the long term interests of the Tory Party who have a bunch of Nimbys for supporters. Thus they don't want to piss off the latter but as they die off they have a problem as they can't get the former. Yet the party leadership don't want to address this.

It will come to a head eventually.

I thought andrew Neil was very aggressive and spoke more than Corbyn in the interview, to be fair.
His agenda of questioning was very much about antisemitism, taxing high earners, Brexit neutrality. Intentionally stayed away from any of Corbyn's usual territory on the NHS, poverty, austerity etc.
I don't know if Johnson will get such a roasting. I bl**dy well hope so.

@BigChocFrenzy Hence the age at which statistically a person is more likely to be Tory than Labour increased at the 2017 GE to 47.

I have read it is 51 now. I am 34, which used to be the old 'tipping point' age.

If that really is predominantly down to a generational decrease in quality of life/security, it is quite shocking to change so dramatically so quickly

Unfortunately the interview was a car crash. He was completely unprepared and it showed. Neil was vicious but then he always is. I hope he’s as hard on Johnson.

I'm 55, sounds like there are a lot of us tail-end boomers on here.

Didn't and won't watch the Andrew Neil vs Corbyn thing, as apart from Johnson it's hard to think of two men in British public life who irritate me more.

I don't think Neil is a good interviewer: I think he's a bully. It makes good television I dare say, but it's all about Neil and not his interviewees.