Westminstenders: Manifesto or Bust?

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The Brexit Party aren't doing one.

The Labour Party apparently can't afford theirs.

The Conservatives will just lie anyway.

And the LDs got upstaged by Prince Andrew's resignation from royal duties for being a fuckwit.

3 weeks to go...

OYBBK thanks for that. I think the tories have most to fear from an "act of God" (given that they don't appear to have much to fear from their opponents, except in a handful of angry southern remain seats).

"Spoiling a ballot paper is incredibly self indulgent. And given the current state of the UK, ignorant."
Ok , you tell me why a half Jewish, half Irish Remain voting woman who doesn't want a green belt destroying development in her constituency (supported by the Labour candidate) should vote for?

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@JustAnotherPoster00 , which party is led by an anti Semite indulging poseur whose local candidate supports destroying local greenbelt?

Remember when people were once so excited to vote to have Corbyn as leader? There were a lot of threads on MN about it IIRC. We thought he would be a brilliant success.

And this is the core of the problem. For all the talk about the Tories shifting to the right over the last few years - and they have, at least on Brexit - Labour moved to the extremes first, throwing their toys out of the pram and embracing a far-left crank like Corbyn just because they couldn’t stand losing to a moderate Europhile Tory like Cameron in 2015.

Would the Brexit referendum have been lost at all if Corbyn had been a normal Labour leader, not a closet Lexiteer who - as with so many parts of his career - “was present but did not participate”? I don’t think so.

The one who won't support the sort of Brexit you fear Bellini. If you think things would be so bad that people will need stores of food and other supplies, then surely you have to do everything you can to stop that issue. Because to me that sounds like a pretty bad scenario to be avoided.

The Brexit vote won in the referendum. And the Tories won the last election. People voted for this. There is no "Tory Brexit " or "Labour Brexit ". There is just Brexit. I am a prepper to try and protect myself from the consequences of the stupid fucking decisions my fellow countrymen take.

Meanwhile in Scotland:

Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
New Scottish Westminster poll, Panelbase 20-22 Nov (changes vs 9-11 Oct);

SNP - 40% (+1)
Con - 28% (+7)
Lab - 20% (+1)
LD - 11% (-2)
Brex -

(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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Key thing about the £58 billion WASPI announcement isn’t what it says about Labour’s fiscal credibility. It’s what it reveals about their own internal numbers on reaction to the manifesto launch, and their general position nationally.

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Seriously. If you’ve spent four years telling anyone who questions the Messianic status of Jeremy Corbyn to ‘f*ck off’, then you don’t really get to complain when they do just that.

ok, I'm going to disengage from this conversation Bellini.

Can't find the tweet now but the polls are still showing the Tories as far ahead of Lab as at the same point in 2017. Fwiw.

I'm ambivalent about the WASPI thing. (I'm sure I wouldn't be if in that age group). I follow Frances Coppola and she's very persuasive on this issue for me plus Michelle Dewberry is on the WASPI bandwagon so enough for me to be anti But it could be an astute move.

But it could be an astute move.

I think it adds to the narrative of fairness that Labour are going for, for the many not the few, weve been screwed as a society for no other reason than profit, weve allowed crime to increase, weve allowed homelessness to increase, poverty not seen since the earliest part of the 1900's has increased all of this done for the benefit of some already wealthy people and our -propaganda- media machine has told us this is what we should accept and so many intelligent people as weve seen on this thread is falling for it

Fair enough. I prep because stupid shit happens and I encourage other people to do the same.
I'm not going to patronise people who voted for this shit show and claim I know what's best for them. They think this shit show is best. I don't agree. I prep to protect myself from the consequences.
I'm old. I lived through Thatcher. She festered for such a long time because there was no credible alternative. By credible alternative, I don't mean something activists would like, I mean something that people who don't really spend much time on politics would like.
Smith was the first leader we'd had in ages that fitted this bill. He died and Blair took over. He did it too until the Iraq War.

Man arrested over anti-Semitic abuse on Tube www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50533617

This shit is as enabled by Corbyn as it is by Johnson. The fucking heroic woman who intervened and everyone else who intervened are what is good about this country. What's bad about this country is indulging the shit this twat came out with.

I cannot agree with that. The man was a religious zealot. He would have done the same thing three, five , ten years ago.

But it could be an astute move

An extra 58 billion pounds that Labour just pulled out of its behind and completely destroys the lie that the manifesto is "fully costed"? Yes, it's a huge extra bribe, paid for by a huge amount of extra borrowing or taxes, but if the public don't believe Labour is credible - and they certainly don't - then it doesn't matter what magic numbers you promise them, as they just won't believe you.

Would it happen to your kid? @Piggywaspushed . Gives you a different perspective if it would?

Just to go back a page, I wouldn't indulge in a torrent of swear words, no. I might say 'fuck right off'.

Saying 'go away, I'm a teacher' usually does the job!

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Would the Brexit referendum have been lost at all if Corbyn had been a normal Labour leader, not a closet Lexiteer who - as with so many parts of his career - “was present but did not participate”? I don’t think so.*

I find it interesting, always, that Brexit is so often spoken of as "Conservative Brexit",when both Cameron and May made no secret of opposing the idea of leaving the EU.

And whether we like it or not, a fairly hefty number of Labour and ex-Labour voters as well as Conservatives and ex-Conservatives voted to leave the EU.

I am with bellinisurge in thinking that it's silly to say either of the two main political parties was really the Brexit party (though clearly Boris Johnson is now running a Brexit party and systematically getting rid of Conservatives who don't want Brexit), but I cannot go along with spoiling a ballot paper. Too many women put far too much effort, and their lives on the line in many cases, to get us that vote, and it seems like just old-fashioned ingratitude to throw it away and rubbish them.

Oh, and a question, just to keep my hand in: if Br -exiteer means a British person-who-wants-to-leave-the-EU, is a Lexiteer being somehow deemed not to be British?

No, it wouldn't happen to my children : but I have been subjected to abuse. Have you seen the video? He whipped a Bible out of his bag. His anti semitic views are rooted in fundamental Christianity, not Corbynish views on Palestine.

Muslims are routinely subjected to abuse on tubes and trains, as are other minorities. I tend to blame wider factors than one politician for such things.

I understand your upset and anger, though, of course.

This shit is as enabled by Corbyn as it is by Johnson.

Nah, it really isn't.

No, it wouldn't happen to my children : but I have been subjected to abuse. Have you seen the video? He whipped a Bible out of his bag. His anti semitic views are rooted in fundamental Christianity, not Corbynish views on Palestine. []Muslims are routinely subjected to abuse on tubes and trains, as are other minorities. I tend to blame wider factors than one politician for such things.

I believe a Muslim lady took him too task ?

After all, Jews, Muslims and Christians are all "people of the book".

Oh to live in Moorish Spain ....

"WAB back before Christmas"

Well, it won't be passed until sometime January, but plenty of time then

Parliament returns on Monday 16 December
then would normally recess on Thursday 19 Dec - they won't sit over Christmas / NY period

Possibly, the debate will start in December, 1st reading

When they return in January, that's when the work will be done to complete all legislation
and get Royal Assesnt in time for EP approval

EP plenary sessions are 13-16 and 29-30 January, so timing is OK to Brexit on 31 January

@GhostofFrankGrimes , so if you saw a mural with an obviously antisemitic image on it, you'd think it ok too.
And given that I praised the amazing brave woman in a hijab that intervened, I have no idea why you think I don't see how Muslims are treated in this country or how fantastic she was.

Many of you are prepared to stomach Corbyn or pretend it's just a minor issue that the people directly affected by it are over egging because that are all Tories or some other deluded crapThat's your call. Not mine.