Westminstenders: Manifesto or Bust?

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The Brexit Party aren't doing one.

The Labour Party apparently can't afford theirs.

The Conservatives will just lie anyway.

And the LDs got upstaged by Prince Andrew's resignation from royal duties for being a fuckwit.

3 weeks to go...

The sheer amount of young people registering to vote gives me so much hope. I can't help it...I think we can do this!

My understanding is that a lot of these "registrations" are just people changing their address or confirming that they are on the register. There are still millions of people who are not registered to vote.

At least it means they plan to turn out. I'm going to be positive about it.

I agree Fading it’s hopeful so many young people registering. And here’s a heartwarming story:

A brewery is offering homeless people its address so they can vote in the general election.
The owners of Bristol Beer Factory have said rough sleepers from the area can use their brewery in the city's Southville area as their home address.

It’s often the people most affected by government policies that are unable to vote against them...

news.sky.com/story/general-election-brewery-offers-homeless-people-its-address-so-they-can-register-to-vote-11866628?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

However many young people have registered/are new (19 year old ds is one of them: already on the register here but has put himself on the register at his Uni address), it means nowt unless they get out and vote on 12 December

Hester that is a beautiful story. I feel a little tearful reading that. So often those who are disadvantaged have no voice and a lot of people (Tories) would like to keep it that way.

At least it means they plan to turn out. I'm going to be positive about it

Yes that's true.

Still a lot to play for but I am a lot less optimistic than some of you.

Don’t want to be a Debbie Downer but I see no cause for optimism given the polls.

Labour is way behind. Young voters turning out for them I don’t think will be sufficient.

Lots of the really thoughtful , impassioned questions and comments made on the QT debate last night came from young people.

I think it really allowed Corbyn to shine and the absolute opposite for Swinson and Johnson.

Swinson was always going to get a hard time in Sheffield because it contains Nick Clegg's former constituency. His collusion with the tories means he his especially despised.

I was impressed by the level of knowledge of the audience.
And Johnson was called out on his lies.

Prettybird I can remember being flabbergasted at the Council (Tory!) refusing planning permission for an internet café in the 90s because it was “just a phase” and would go the way of CB radio

The internet has been around for decades: I used it in the late 80s at the university I worked for. WWW was making its appearance by then, too: I think I first used it in the very late 80s/early 90s.

I just couldn’t understand how they could be so short-sighted as to dismiss it irrelevant. I admit some of the projections seemed a bit far-fetched (with hindsight, they were not), but it was so clearly going to revolutionise the world if even a 10th of the suggestions came into being.

The Muslim community have had a huge drive to get their members registered.

They are very angry at the Government’s prevarication on Islamophobia.

*Don’t want to be a Debbie Downer but I see no cause for optimism given the polls.

Labour is way behind. Young voters turning out for them I don’t think will be sufficient.*

Got to agree with this. Also young people risk turning out in the "wrong" places (university cities) where Tories aren't elected anyway.

PS would love to be proved wrong. Not seeing much risk of that yet.

A local independent cinema is also offering its address to homeless people for registering to vote. (Cinema and co in Swansea)

The students in Uxbridge might make a difference

"the debate seems to have changed 17% of voters minds about who to vote for, which they say is small, but in actual fact is massive!"

I agree, oakenbeach It is astonishing and likely to significantly affect the GE result, if true and also lasting .... I'm actually dubious about such a high figure and wandering about the poll reliability

wondering !

The students in Uxbridge might make a difference

Please, God! Please, God! 🙏

Johnson was briefed on declaring friendships before he met Jennifer Arcuri

Sleazzy twat's "pledges" are worthless, but we already knew that

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/21/boris-johnson-was-briefed-on-declaring-friendships-before-he-met-jennifer-arcuri?

Revealed:
PM pledged to ‘bear in mind the definition of close associate’ after affair with Helen Macintyre

Boris Johnson and his staff were given compulsory training on the importance of acknowledging personal friendships
months before he met the US businesswoman Jennifer Arcuri, and just after he was rebuked for failing to declare an interest with another woman,
the Guardian can reveal.

City Hall’s standards committee recommended the governance training after a panel found that Johnson had failed to acknowledge a personal interest in Helen Macintyree^.

It later emerged that Macintrye, who held an unpaid advisory post, had an extramarital affair with Johnson and gave birth to his daughter in 2008.

Here's a simple tool to help students work out where best to use their vote tactically:
https://studentvoter.info/

That link doesn't do anything for me?

refusing planning permission for an internet café in the 90s because it was “just a phase”

However, internet cafes themselves are no longer as prevalent. My DD was travelling 15 years ago and there were loads. Travelling again this summer, they were much harder to find, because people have smart phones.

As for the Tory big lead in the polls - that was also the case in 2017. The Tories were crowing about their 100 seat majority... which disappeared on the stroke of ten.

Yes go students of Uxbridge!

Get Johnson Gone!

Dominic Raab getting a hard time from his constituents.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/dominic-raab-booed-and-laughed-at-by-room-of-constituents-after-describing-moderate-brexit-1-6390272

Has this been covered? -

Rob Ford @robfordmancs

“Couple of nuggets I've just noticed in the cross-tabs to the most recent @DeltapollUK poll. Deltapoll usefully break their poll out by party/Brexit combinations - Con Remain, Lab Leave and so forth. Some interesting patterns there

Firstly, Labour Leave voters show a much greater willingness to back the Conservatives than Conservative Remainers show to back Labour - 26% of Lab Leavers currently favour Con vs just 2% of Con Remainers backing Lab.

Part of the difference is Con Remainers preferring Lib Dems, but even then there's a gap - 19% of Con Remainers go LD, and 2% Lab for a total of 21% switching to a Remain party vs 26% of Lab Leavers switching directly to Cons

Secondly, and contra much of what I've been saying here for a while, the poll does show evidence of greater Lab than Con losses to BXP. In part reflects fact BXP aren't standing in the seats where most Con Leavers live, but even allowing for this I was expecting greater Con loss

In fact, 26% of Lab Leavers currently backing BXP vs just 7% of Con Leavers (another 3% say they'll back UKIP). Even allowing for the fact that Con Leavers are a much bigger group, a difference this large would indeed mean BXP taking a bigger bite out of Lab than Con vote

That cld be critical in a number of Lab held Leave seats,if it holds up. It would suggest that even though most of the Lab vote is Remain and even though Con have far more voters who find BXP attractive, Lab are viewed so negatively now by Leave voters that they lose to BXP.”