Brexit Arms: the discussion continues....

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I'm not promising to be the resident landlady, and I can't even hope to moderate the discussion or offer up great memes etc because I don't know how, but here's opening the next iteration....

First drink is on the house.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7712715/Maureen-Lipmans-Beattie-hammer-Labour.html

Boom.

That graph, Walkingdeadfangirl!

Either Labour is seriously deluded or they simply view us with contempt. I can't decide which.

In the meantime, the Electoral Commission reports that the Tories raised £5.7m in donations in the first week of the official election campaign. Labour pulled in just £218,500, the Lib Dems £275,000 and the Brexit Party £250,000. That tells a story. Labour Party membership allegedly stands at 519,000. If they chucked in 42p each, they'd reach that figure without the help of any corporate or wealthy sponsors. Why is no one in the Labour family willing to put their money where their mouth is?

Gah, Epic! I want to watch that now but I'll wake up DH if I do. He already complains I spend too much time on Mumsnet.

😮 at Maureen Lipman!

Jeezo! That's going to go down like a cup of sick with Jezza's twitter mob...

She's awesome 👏👏👏

Don’t worry singing, it’ll keep till tomorrow! It’s worth it though, a real doozy.

Dusty, Corbynland will lose it, probably then going on to tear her to shreds on twitter, in that oh so lovely (nothing to see here) way that they do. luckily I doubt she will give a shit about their ‘re-education’ attempts.

Go Maureen!

So Sad that it even has to come to her feeling the need to do this though.

Very good point SingingLily Why are Momentum and its Labour Subsidiary so reluctant to put their money where their mouth is?

The taxes on business is staggering, the CBI must be freaking out today. Just the lowering of the pension age will cost mind blowing amounts. Why!

Wow, nice one Maureen Lipman!!! "He wants to get his allotment hands on my broadband"

So is Labour's new manifesto the longest, or the second longest suicide note in history?

So is Labour's new manifesto the longest, or the second longest suicide note in history?

😂Good morning, Limer!

The longest - 105 pages - compared to Agent Boot's 39-page effort.

I'm hoping the Conservative manifesto is short and snappy; little more than four sides of A4, and definitely no hostages to fortune.

From the Telegraph:

Here is the short and snappy Tory manifesto. For further info, refer yourselves to Priti Patel's video yesterday, in which she says it's not the government's fault we have such high levels of poverty.

So while you sit here and mock the Labour manifesto, remember what you're all voting for...

(I'm sure you won't look at either of those links because they don't conform to your bias, but it's worth a try...)

Nice try, TwoFingers, but the day the Conservative Party publishes its manifesto as the "Tory" manifesto is the day we know politics have been well and truly dumbed down.

Cuppa?

Yep, as I suspected, Maureen Lipman getting ripped to shreds on Twitter this morning, by those lovely, benevolent, pious rose bearers. What a delightful tolerant bunch they are.

✊🌹🙄🤦🏻‍♀️

Oooh! Singing! Don’t worry! WM have a policy, apparently it’s horrendous oppression to deploy a glitterball in the arms, but “Scroll on by” 🎶 is absolutely fine.

So, just “Scroll on by” 🎶

Good Morning all - strong coffee please. twofingers - I thought the Tories were releasing their Manifesto on Sunday? Still opened the link though and - it was just more silliness. Maybe you should post it on the Westminders thread where it will conform to the bias there.

I occasionally pop over and have a look, Epic, and saw that but I comfort myself that we have better jokes (coz there's much more to joke about) and far better memes.

Just going to watch Maureen at her finest, now that the house is in order and the cats fed. Be right back...

Oh and Comrades?!

MUSA. ✊🌹

Anything else and your an ‘orrible cunt, lowest of the low, nasty tory, knuckle dragger, want people to ‘literally’ die, unedumacated... etc... (add, your oh so original ad hominem attack here.)

More analysis on Labour analysis, including the impact on capital investment. Effectively 65.5p of every pound of corporate profit will be taxed. That’s staggering. What will be the incentive for businesses to be profitable? These labour plans are a disaster for business. I hate how Labour are trying to play this as ‘a little more’ tax. It’s not. It’s a fundamental shift to a high tax environment and everyone will be affected.

capx.co/labours-manifesto-is-extraordinary-and-not-in-a-good-way/

Also seeing twitter storm about the guy on BBCQT last night that said he earns £80k and wasn’t in the 5% and basically didn’t want to pay more tax. I understand he would be in the top 5% of income earners (from a HMRC perspective) but I think he was trying to point out that he is not in the top 5% of wealthy. As wealthy people don’t work and earn in the conventional sense, through things like PAYE to HMRC.

This is where labour are confused. They keep talking about the top 5% and billionaires, but what do they mean by this bogeyman Of the ‘top 5%’? Someone on 80k is very different to billionaires FFS.

Easy to say people on 80k are rich and can pay a bit more tax (it’s always just ‘a little more’ isn’t it). But if you are the sole earner with a few kids, perhaps a spouse with healthcare issues, looking after elderly parents, long expensive commute etc you can see how someone on 80k will not feel rich or wealthy.

Of course rather than consider his view, the red rose mob are branding him thick and making all other kinds of assumptions. There’s zero understanding or empathy for someone else’s perspective. They don’t want to understand as if you don’t agree with the plans in that little red book you are the enemy.

Sorry start of post should says more analysis on Labour manifesto ^ !

If Labour get in twofingers then in five years time we can remind ourselves who voted to send the country down the toilet, when the high earners have left and taken the jobs with them and every single one of us are having to foot the bill, because all that money has to come from somewhere. It will be ‘for the many (average Joes) not the few (very high earners)’ left to fund these so called country transforming policies.

I'm sure I'm not alone in that whatever any Party's Manifesto says as this GE, for me, is all about Brexit. Specifically, Brexit with A Deal.

There were some things in the Labour Manifesto I liked but it did remind me of a child's Letter to Santa in that it was a big 'Wish List'.

Maybe in the next GE after the December one I might even vote for a bit of Communism Lite, but not next month.

IFS's Paul Johnson: 'If you are looking at transforming society...then you need to pay for it and it can’t be somebody else that pays for it. We collectively will need to pay for it'

100% This.

EVERYONE should pay their share. The Labour Manifesto represents a massive shift from private sector workers with private pensions to public sector workers with State pensions. Once you Nationalise services the workers inevitably go on strike and hold society to ransom and then you end up with overpaid State workers and No services.

This level of social dislocation can only end badly.

Scotland already has Free personal care, Free prescriptions, better funded schools, No tuition fees, water is Nationalised. We ALL pay more council and income tax to pay for it and actually incremental costs are not massive because they save on admin or replace a means tested service most qualify for. Student debt is repaid more quickly and is therefore mostly recovered.

I cannot see what a Scot would even be getting from squeezing London billionaires.

I think Labour have massively overdone it in their manifesto.

There are Remainers, mainly ex -Tories, who might have been persuaded to vote Labour to stop the Tory Brexit if the rest of the manifesto was more moderate

As it is, the rest of the manifesto isn’t much better than rock hard Brexit, with the added downside of it being led by Magic Grandpa.

As Sam Bowman puts it, the Labour Manifesto is "tough on profits, tough on the causes of profits".

capx.co/labours-manifesto-is-extraordinary-and-not-in-a-good-way/

And according to The Sun, Jezbollah is going to open up the borders.

"Leader Jeremy Corbyn promised to tear up rules which mean new arrivals must be earning at least £18,600 if they want their families to join them. His party also said it would not put any limit on the number of people moving to Britain."

That means the NHS will truly become the International NHS. Who will be paying for it? Not the billionaires. They'll have gone long since.

Immigration was not a factor for me when I voted Leave. I want self-determination, nothing more, nothing less. However, for others, uncontrolled freedom of movement was a huge concern because it held down their wages, reduced job availability, put strains on health and public services. That is why Gillian Duffy's question was merely sane and rational and that was why Gordon Brown was forced to apologise to her. I remember that vividly as his Ratner moment.

Let's see what the polls say after the weekend, especially in the Labour-voting Leave-supporting areas. That's only about 60% of them.

I agree with howabout that everyone needs to contribute. I would happily pay more tax from my (meagre) income if it ensured a better NHS, more efficient transport system, better education system etc., although I wouldn't personally benefit from some of these. (I'm of the Wilkinson and Pickett train of thought generally).

I'm not surprised that you're all so sanguine about people like Priti Patel having another five years to apply the thumbscrews to the poor. I expect you also admire the dishonesty of the Tories pretending to be a fact-checking organisation etc... Congratulations to all of you.

time4 Labour is extremely unlikely to get in, so don't worry your head about that. However, I love that you have a crystal ball that tells you what life will be like post-imaginary-Labour government, but are willing to place your faith in the various unknowns that Brexit will bring, particularly given the charlatans who are promising it to you.

I do wish posters wouldn't assume that anyone who pops in to criticise the Tories/Conservatives and Unionists (hollow laugh) is by definition a Jeremy/Labour fan. It's really not that hard to understand.

I'm not surprised that you're all so sanguine about people like Priti Patel having another five years to apply the thumbscrews to the poor. I expect you also admire the dishonesty of the Tories pretending to be a fact-checking organisation etc... Congratulations to all of you.

I don't recall any poster on this thread making any views known about Priti Patel or the fact check thing so how do you come to that conclusion?