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Westminstenders: "They are ahead in the polls"

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RedToothBrush · 14/11/2019 18:39

The nominations are in!

A reminder about polling...

... And its significance in this election.

In 2017 YouGov got it right. They did two types of poll. One was a general poll which was done on regional polling. Early versions of this during the campaign discounted the don't knows. Later ones guesstimated how the don't knows would vote. This polling turned out to be close to the result but not exact.

The other poll you Gov did was on a constituency level. It was right before the election and it proved to be the most accurate of all, until we saw John Curtice's exit poll (which was spot on).

This time around YouGov have just switched to a constituency version of their polling because its much more complex this time with various pacts in action. They will be promoting respondents on the basis of who is standing in their constituency.

I'm not aware of other pollsters and their methodology but YouGov is interesting because of how close they were to the result last time.

This time around we are also seeing the active use of polling to lead voters, rather than necessarily reflect it. The Lib Dems and Remain have done a lot in what they see as key marginals to aid their credibility as realistic challengers. It's a more sophisticated version of their infamous, 'Only the LDs can beat X here' barcharts of shame. But it's unlikely they will be the only ones to try and use the technique. They probably will just be a little more transparent about it.

John Curtice has gone on record as saying there are only two realistic outcomes for the election: A Tory Majority or a Hung Parliament.

For the Tories to win they need a significant lead in the polls. To be sure probably 10% lead because of the regionality and constituency anomalies. Anything less than 6 or 7 percentage ahead and it tips to a hung parliament. YouGov currently have them on 13pt lead... BUT that's without fully accounting for the 1/5 of voters who are currently undecided. Last time around those who decided at the last moment tipped heavily in favour of Labour rather than the Conservatives.

Who stays at home, or who spoils a ballot could have particular significance this time around as disenchanted voters are made up of a higher number of voters who do usually vote than usual and a broken tribalism. Thus making it more difficult to predict than ever before.

So be a bit wary of polls and what they show - and what they don't show...

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DadDadDad · 16/11/2019 19:03

By the way, I should add about my suggestion of writing spending etc as "per person" amounts is not original. I think I read about the idea of "people pounds" decades ago in the New Scientist, and it's stuck with me.

Ellie56 · 16/11/2019 19:03

Just seen Johnson in Bolton on Ch4 news. He looks deflated and a little bit rattled.

Maybe he's heard about the student protest in Uxbridge? Grin

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/boris-johnson-general-election-students-brunel-university-uxbridge-a9204881.html

thecatfromjapan · 16/11/2019 19:08

Completely agree, BigChoc.

Alsohuman · 16/11/2019 19:12

Thank you @Ellie56, that’s really cheered me up. If he lost his seat it would be the Portillo moment x a million.

Frankiestein402 · 16/11/2019 19:16

80 mins! I want to be able to get to Birmingham in half and hour
It would halve the time from London to Manchester and make commuting daily feasible.

I hope that in 5yrs commuting over this kind of distance is seen as bad in the same way that drunk driving became unforgiveable.
That has to happen to avoid catastrophic climate change

The investment and research needed to make commuting redundant is what HS2 money should be spent on - not supporting ultra-high margin private profit projects that will never be delivered to spec.

(i always found 30-40 min journeys the worst, virtually impossible to do anything on the journey - the contrast in the work possible on the london/Birmingham journey between virgin's cramped tubes and chiltern's comfortable, spacious variant with a 10-15min time delay was a big learning for me at least.)

Random18 · 16/11/2019 19:16

What would happen if he did lose his seat?

It would be absolutely bloody brilliant.

Would we just get Gove in his place?

Would they form a govt (if they win) with a temporary leader?

Or would Raab step in? Is he the deputy PM? Although hope he loses his seat too. Which considering his constituency supported remain by quite a margin is possible.

Random18 · 16/11/2019 19:18

I commented on another post about commute to work. Some were saying a 100 mile commute was feasible.

That was one way. No way could I manage that every day. I have had a 45 min commute before and it was manageable but that was pre kids.

I like my 5 second commute now Grin

Peregrina · 16/11/2019 19:23

What would happen if he did lose his seat?

Lost seat and hung Parliament - who would the Queen approach to form a Government? Bring it on, I say!

Hoooo · 16/11/2019 19:24

I'd love a portillo moment:)

ArseDarkly · 16/11/2019 19:30

IBS losing would be a great Portillo moment

Johnson losing would be seismic! And the best xmas ever! Grin

Hoooo · 16/11/2019 19:33

Ids, bojo and grease smug losing their seats would make me SO happy

Alsohuman · 16/11/2019 19:34

Couldn’t happen to a better man. 😂

Ellie56 · 16/11/2019 19:46

GrinGrin

Icantreachthepretzels · 16/11/2019 19:48

I've only skimmed the last few pages so I'm not sure if this has been posted:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/16/priti-patel-block-rescue-british-isis-children

Priti Patel is so awful in this story that Dominic Raab comes out of it looking quite good (you know - for him)

RedToothBrush · 16/11/2019 19:50

What would happen if he did lose his seat?

I would absolutely howl with laughter.

It would make 4am on Friday 13th the best thing ever.

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Alsohuman · 16/11/2019 19:52

First PM to lose his seat since Balfour in 1906, how sweet that would be.

runningintothesunset · 16/11/2019 19:57

Priti Patel is a really very scary politician.

Ellie56 · 16/11/2019 20:04

Can we include Priti Awful Patel in the list of candidates to lose their seats too? She is vile.

CendrillonSings · 16/11/2019 20:07

Alsohuman

Wow, check this out.

Here's something else you might want to check out in the Guardian:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/16/corbyn-counts-on-tv-debates-to-close-the-gap-as-tories-poll-lead-increases

According to Opinium, the Tories have stretched their poll lead and now have a 16-point lead over Labour. The Conservatives are up three points compared with a week ago, and now stand on 44%. Labour is down one point on 28%. The Liberal Democrats are also down one point on 14%, their lowest showing since August, while the Brexit party is unchanged on 6%.

Who's rattled now? Grin

ListeningQuietly · 16/11/2019 20:13

I'm back in the UK
interesting insights from my travels around the Emerald Isle
NONE of the Irish people we chatted to in many towns and counties and situations
could get their heads around the idea that the UK government would be so stupid as to put a border around Northern Ireland.
They just assumed it could never ever ever happen
I wished I could share their certainty

ListeningQuietly · 16/11/2019 20:14

Second point from Ireland

"for years you laughed at us paddies"
now we piss ourselves laughing at your stupidity

ListeningQuietly · 16/11/2019 20:15

Third point from Ireland

You can pay the toll in pounds or Euros, they have the same value

FadingStar · 16/11/2019 20:17

Not so funny for the Irish people in the North of Ireland unfortunately. We voted to remain and yet we are at the mercy of the voters in England, Scotland and Wales. The Tory voters, anyway.

Oakenbeach · 16/11/2019 20:21

Who's rattled now?

ComRes showing lead Tory lead down two to 8 points....