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DustyDiamond · 07/11/2019 09:39

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SingingLily · 15/11/2019 00:44

Deep breaths.

John Curtice said tonight that the chance of a Labour majority is "as close to zero as it gets".

Labour then makes a huge massive retail offer of free broadband to the masses.

It's not a coincidence.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 15/11/2019 01:02

Thanks SingingL, fill me up again.

Its only another 25 Billion (dont believe it for a second). I cant imagine for a second what Corbyn owning the internet would mean. He is literally planning a dictatorship. I would go to the streets Hong Kong style if he tried to do this, its an abomination.

Parker231 · 15/11/2019 05:20

There is little difference in Corbyn nationalising public services and Boris taking no ownership for any.

frumpety · 15/11/2019 06:27

The four day week thing isn't as barmy as it sounds, but as with all political pledges, the devil is in the detail. There are private companies who are doing this now, some parts of the state sector allow flexi working , nurses in the NHS often do long days to allow them to condense their hours into fewer days.
Having a national discussion about working patterns isn't a bad idea, what works and why and for who ? Smile

bellinisurge · 15/11/2019 06:30

Remembering British Leyland and British Rail as a user of those services, "British Broadband" doesn't fill me with enthusiasm .
Sadly, I won't get offered a peerage or a fancy job in exchange for my electoral decisions.
I think the Bobby Ewing dream idea sounds like the most sensible analysis I have heard in years. This stupid shit can't be real, can it?Confused

DustyDiamond · 15/11/2019 06:46

Its only another 25 Billion (dont believe it for a second).

Aah! But wait until The Little Grey FULLY COSTED! Manifesto Costing pamphlet is released...

It will say "the cost of this will be offset by the massive gains it will make to the economy; thus, it is considered to be a cost neutral investment" (or similar) 😉

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SingingLily · 15/11/2019 08:01

The four day week thing isn't as barmy as it sounds

In many types of work, it wouldn't be, Frumpety. In my own former workplace, colleagues would swap places on the rota and do double shifts so that they could do a four day week or even a three day one. As long as it didn't undermine operational effectiveness, managers were fine with it. Jezza's pledge goes much much further. He wants to give everyone the right to decide exactly when they'll turn up for work and when they will go home. Can you imagine it? One person only wants to work between 2.15pm and 3.35pm and might pop in between Corrie and Doc Martin but only if the kids are in bed. Someone else only wants to do the 10-12pm shift but not on Tuesdays or whenever there's an R in the month. What would it do to your workplace? How would your patients feel? Would they be fine with that too? Or would it be chaos?

a cost neutral investment"

Ah yes, cost neutral. A fiscal sleight-of-hand much favoured by Gordon Brown. For several years as Chancellor, he bestowed inflation-busting pay rises on my little corner of the public sector, selling his plans to Parliament as "cost neutral". And so it was. The overall salary bill remained the same and the union chaps (they were always chaps - a little diversity wouldn't have gone amiss) rubbed their hands at the fantastic deal we were offered. I pointed out that pay rises for existing staff were only possible because starting salaries for new entrants were being slashed to compensate. Lower starting salaries would, in time, mean we'd struggle to recruit and staff shortages would follow, just as surely as night follows day. They didn't care. It was jam today. And yes, that's what happened.

All these promises sound great but only if you disengage your critical thinking and squint through one eye so you can't see the invisible small print.

Name me one Labour government in living memory that practised fiscal responsibility. Just one.

Mistigri · 15/11/2019 08:03

He wants to give everyone the right to decide exactly when they'll turn up for work and when they will go home. Can you imagine it? One person only wants to work between 2.15pm and 3.35pm and might pop in between Corrie and Doc Martin but only if the kids are in bed.

As bad faith posts go this is quite ... bad.

SingingLily · 15/11/2019 08:11

Good morning, Mistigri

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-2019-labour-flexible-working-hours-maternity-pay-919636

Other news sources are available Smile

XingMing · 15/11/2019 08:30

Grin SingingLily. Can I put the kettle on? Who would like tea or coffee?

Bellini, I am also old enough to remember British Rail and British Leyland, and like you I am sure British Broadband will offer fine words but deliver a threadbare dial-up substitute for most.

When I bought my first property in 1987, I asked for a phone to be installed and was told there was a 2 year waiting list. In the States, in 1980, I asked for a phone installation, and was handed my equipment over the counter, with a choice of coloured handsets and cord lengths and the engineer arrived the next morning. The UK consumer was treated shockingly before privatisation. I know it's not perfect now, but it's better than it was.

SingingLily · 15/11/2019 08:40

Morning, XingMing, ooh if you're putting the kettle on, any chance of a builders brew please?

We returned to the UK from beautiful Canada in 1973, just in time for the three day week, public sector strikes everywhere, rubbish piled up in the streets, electricity rationed, the dead unburied, and yes - a six month minimum wait for a telephone to be installed. It was like going back a hundred years. As for British Rail Shock

Labour government cosying up to the mighty unions. Been there, done that, no thanks.

ContinuityError · 15/11/2019 09:02

As bad faith posts go this is quite ... bad.

Yeah - it’s as if someone has only read frothing in the Express rather than actually bothering to read Skidelsky’s report.

I was working a 9 day fortnight in a huge UK employer 20 years ago. Don’t seem to remember choosing my hours either - we had core hours set in our contracts Hmm

bellinisurge · 15/11/2019 09:26

Got to say, your boy was offered an opportunity to waffle about being a dad and home life etc on BBC breakfast and he couldn't.

XingMing · 15/11/2019 09:29

I've never worked for a really big company, or in the public sector, but one employer in the US shifted to working four (longer) days per week in the summer months which was wonderful, so everyone had three day weekends. Same number of hours, just started and finished 45 minutes earlier and later which is fine in the NY summer, for light levels and the cooler temperatures. It was a genuine free benefit.

Working conditions seem to have deteriorated enormously since I went freelance/self employed and too many employers appear to feel it's okay to treat staff like battery hens.

howabout · 15/11/2019 09:34

bellini Boris, like JC, has a policy of never discussing his children and home life in public. Why he also refused to discuss winegate.

Not that I'd consider either of them or any other politician "my boy" or "my gal". Shock

Brew

The BBC article (haven't read newspaper versions) on the 200,000 starter homes is typical example of headline fakery - it waits till the final para of a full page article to point out that housebuilders preferred other schemes like shared ownership / help to buy and so did their customers.

Hollycatberry · 15/11/2019 09:35

Nick Delfas, an analyst with Redburn, said implementing the policy could be difficult. There are some challenges for Labour, he said. Nationalisation and state aid of this sort are illegal under EU law, and the majority of the party wants to remain in the EU. The maintenance cost of a national fibre network will be at least £1-2bn not £230m as claimed. And the public sector will be exposed to build cost overruns, as with HS2 and Crossrail. Finally TalkTalk and Virgin Media would go bankrupt

Pretty damming analysis in the FT of Labour's free broadband pledge. One wonders what else will be pledged for nationalisation by the end of this election by Labour. I honestly think they would be quite content for the glorious state to provide everything.

I also would not trust any government to be the broadband provider. Gives them perfect opportunity to spy on the public. 1984 here we come.

www.ft.com/content/9e8ec464-0734-11ea-9afa-d9e2401fa7ca

bellinisurge · 15/11/2019 09:39

@howabout ,
He could easily say " I don't like talking about my children, I don't think politicians should etc etc" instead of looking and sounding like a man who doesn't know how many children he has and who traded his wife in for a younger model. Which he is.

howabout · 15/11/2019 09:40

The Telegraph is reporting Tories are proposing to reopen the Beeching railways - Portillo is finally back in the fold Smile

Re "FREE" broadband the reality is if you are not bothered about a secure connection it is already free in most town centres, public transport etc. Not sure this is actually a vote winner for Labour as the masses and yoof are used to choosing. My student DD, in keeping with most of her cohort, would rather pay for Netflix / Amazon Prime etc than fork out for a TV licence. Nationalising broadband feels very much like a BBC for all whether you want it or not.

ArseDarkly · 15/11/2019 09:47

Gives them perfect opportunity to spy on the public. 1984 here we come

Think our Governments (and other Governments) have had that covered for a long time tbf.

SingingLily · 15/11/2019 09:48

I also would not trust any government to be the broadband provider. Gives them perfect opportunity to spy on the public. 1984 here we come.

Hollycatberry, I think you and Walkingdeadfangirl have a point. Look at China's move towards a social credit points system through digital monitoring.

ContinuityError · 15/11/2019 10:00

The BBC article (haven't read newspaper versions) on the 200,000 starter homes is typical example of headline fakery - it waits till the final para of a full page article to point out that housebuilders preferred other schemes like shared ownership / help to buy and so did their customers.

I read the NAO report howabout, which is a bit more nuanced than the BBC report.

The Government changed its housing policy and shifted to Help to Buy (no doubt to the joy of house builders), Right to Buy and shared ownership / affordable housing.

Homes England only spent some of allocated funding on buying and prepping land because it couldn’t identify sufficient sites during the period the funding was available.

And finally the Government failed to implement the necessary secondary legislation for the Starter Homes policy.

Doubletrouble99 · 15/11/2019 10:02

Morning all, I find it interesting how the opposition parties have latched on to the 'can't trust the Tories' slogan. I'd be very interested to see a bit more comment on John McDonnell's time at the GLC and how Ken Livingston had to sack him because of his unrealistic fiscal proposals!!

SingingLily · 15/11/2019 10:02

I can't cheer all of you up with today's Telegraph cartoon because it's a bit rubbish, but here's Matt instead. Smile

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ArseDarkly · 15/11/2019 10:07

I find it interesting how the opposition parties have latched on to the 'can't trust the Tories' slogan

Actually you might not know that is the correct full name of the party - The Can't Trust The Conservative and Unionist Party. So really they're only being respectful...

ContinuityError · 15/11/2019 10:15

The Telegraph is reporting Tories are proposing to reopen the Beeching railways - Portillo is finally back in the fold

Grayling announced this 2 years ago though - not a lot seems to have happened since then? And I don’t think £500m is going to go that far.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/29/rail-routes-axed-1960s-beeching-cuts-could-reopen-ease-overcrowding/amp/