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Westminstenders: Dissolved.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 19:44

Parliament has formally been dissolved. We are now officially in an election period including purdah and spending limits. Not that all the parties haven't got campaign material out already to bypass the rules, making the rules a complete farce. And the government has made some very dodgy adverts about the fund for towns, 90% of which just happen to be marginals.

The Tory Campaign has got off to an interesting start with a dead cat dog whistle against Grenfell where many well educated people lived (Inc an architect), privately owned their property and just happened to be white. And fast asleep. I'm not sure about you but I don't tend to have huge amounts of 'common sense' when I'm snoring.

Apologies have of course been made. In true Trumpian / Bannon style. But the whistle was blown and made its desired point to its target audience. Expect many more examples before we get to the end of this campaign.

Of course the same day it was made public that the government have blocked the publication of a report into Russian Electoral Interference. Which is in no way connected to the massive amount of donations the Tory Party has been receiving lately and who Boris Johnson hangs out with.

This election is all about breaking 'The Red Wall' and the Tories taking Northern seats. So everyone between Birmingham and Cumbria is going to be particularly fed up by 12th December at people from London coming out with ridiculous stereotypes, and telling them how to vote. We await Corbyn and Johnson adopting flat caps and vowels whilst drinking a pint of bitter or mild.

As usual we've had the candidate selection process throw up a few curve balls including forcing cabinet minister Alun Cairns to resign as Welsh Secretary on the day the tories launch their campaign. Its become very clear from the list of Tory MPs who aren't standing that the party has officially split and 'one nation conservatism' is merely now a slogan Johnson throws around to pretend that the hard right of the party hasn't slung out or forced out all the moderates. On the Labour side we have the usual rows at factions in local parties fighting or being really upset at a London candidate being parachuted in.

Farage isn't standing but the Brexit Party apparently is, despite calls for an electoral pact with the Tories. Whether local parties get the memo from Leave.eu and CCHQ we will find out in time. The LDs, Greens and Plaid seem to be consolidating a Remain pact in some seats but this still splits the vote with Labour which will be a problem in some areas.

Johnson is apparently standing in Uxbridge. This does leave us with the possibility he could yet lose his seat. Swinson's seat is also far from a safe one. Corbyn will likely be safe but Islington did back the LDs as the 1st Party at the Euros with the assistance of some very pissed off Labour members.

Nothing is certain about the next 6 weeks apart from the fact it will throw up some shocks and leave us all shouting at the telly at some point.

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Emilyontmoor · 08/11/2019 08:10

Yes, my DD is I am talking about corporate service companies, financial, management consultancy / accounting/ tax / advertising / marketing. Companies that have the right HR policies in place but seem to have gone backwards in terms of implementation. I think it has also gone backwards and maybe related in terms of a shift in the effectiveness of recruitment policies in achieving social diversity in particular, they are recruiting more women and more BAME but into a culture that is actually more upper middle class than it was during my career. I put up with some awful sexism, indeed sexual harassment, in my but it was never thought acceptable in the overall culture and you felt things were improving, now it seems these young women are supposed to “be able to take a joke”.

Emilyontmoor · 08/11/2019 08:11

Sorry meant to say my DD is in an academic environment and doesn’t encounter it, it is her peers.

Emilyontmoor · 08/11/2019 08:12

Apologies for all the typos - on busy train!

bellinisurge · 08/11/2019 08:16

@Motheroffourdragons , I don't want a PV. I don't want Revoke. I accept an orderly Brexit in the hands of fair minded responsible people. There aren't any at the head of the Tories or Labour.
Tbe next worst option is a PV. I keep seeing people on here telling me to accept the least worst. Given Lib Dems conduct on student loans, I think it perfectly possible they would accept a PV rather than hold the line over Revoke. Neither of which I particularly want.

RedToothBrush · 08/11/2019 08:17

What's the point in being an MP if you are only going to do what is easy not what is right?

It breeds militancy.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/11/2019 08:17

Jeremy Corbyn
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✔️ Extend paid maternity leave to one year

✔️ Stronger rights to flexible working for all workers

✔️ Fines for bosses who fail to tackle the gender pay gap

✔️ Menopause workplace policy

Real change for rights of women at work.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/11/2019 08:17

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bellinisurge · 08/11/2019 08:20

I'm afraid that with JC and many others "woman" doesn't just mean biological women.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/11/2019 08:21

I wonder if the 'Jo Swinson's Liberal Democrats' bus will be parked next to the Ed Stone, I still bloody want that Ed Stone in my garden

GhostofFrankGrimes · 08/11/2019 08:23

Theres no such thing as an orderly brexit all forms of brexit damage the economy to some extent and lower living standards for all.

It was irresponsible MPs that got us to this point I'm not about to cave in and let them win (the ones that haven't ran away). This is a general election and these same MPs shouldn't be allowed to make it all about Brexit. People are worried about public services and the NHS. Only one party is going to protect those things.

Mistigri · 08/11/2019 08:24

they are recruiting more women and more BAME but into a culture that is actually more upper middle class than it was during my career

I think the "professions" have definitely been impacted by the drop in social mobility and what you say makes sense.

In manufacturing we are not seeing the same trends, perhaps because it's not such a desirable middle class career? and because it is hard to recruit enough people with post-grad science qualifications. Lots of women, lots of BAME Britons, lots and lots of migrants (mainly EU but not only - of my U.K. team 2/8 are BAME, 4/8 are first-generation migrants and 5/8 are women).

Motheroffourdragons · 08/11/2019 08:25

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bellinisurge · 08/11/2019 08:25

By orderly Brexit I mean one that doesn't fuck with GFA. I didn't vote for Brexit. More people did. As long as it's not putting NI at risk, I have to accept whatever else it brings.

Mistigri · 08/11/2019 08:28

Actually Emily on reflection isn't it (unpaid) internships that has driven the rise of the upper middle classes in the professions and service industries?

Unpaid internships are much less common in industry, in fact I have never heard of such a thing at my employer.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 08/11/2019 08:32

I don't think anyone should accept lower living standards. People were fed a pack of lies. Once the economic hardship hits there will be more political unrest. Brexit is not solved by an orderly departure.

Mistigri · 08/11/2019 08:32

Theres no such thing as an orderly brexit all forms of brexit damage the economy to some extent and lower living standards for all.

That's not true tbh. If you define disorderly as "causing signifiant short-term disruption to trade", then Johnson's deal has a much higher potential to be disorderly than May's deal, which effectively kept the whole U.K. in the customs union and parts of the single market until a FTA could be agreed.

QueenMabby · 08/11/2019 08:33

Whatever your views, women were beaten, force-fed and died to get us our vote. Please use it.

Westminstenders: Dissolved.
Mistigri · 08/11/2019 08:34

Lib Dems who put themselves up for election.

What about people who are party members and campaign for them? Where is the trustworthy line to be drawn?

bellinisurge · 08/11/2019 08:35

Brexit that isn't a No Deal Brexit is an orderly Brexit. If I am going to have to put up with a crock of shit that more people voted for, I at least want a crock of shit not a paper bag of shit.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/11/2019 08:38

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  • Lib Dems ‘deliberately’ misleading voters;
-You Gov confirm they DID NOT EVEN POLL in areas Lib Dems claimed their polls showed LDs ‘winning’. Perhaps ⁦ @joswinson ⁩ should concentrate more on HONESTY & less daydreaming about starting a nuclear war

www.businessinsider.com/lib-dems-accused-of-intentionally-misinforming-voters-with-leaflets-2019-11?r=US&IR=T

Mistigri · 08/11/2019 08:38

Brexit that isn't a No Deal Brexit is an orderly Brexit.

That's only true if the only disorder you care about is at the Irish border.

In fact it is now possible that we could have Brexit with a deal followed by a disorderly end to the transition. History may say that we were wrong to oppose May's deal (some of us were wrong; I know Bellini supported if).

Motheroffourdragons · 08/11/2019 08:39

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 08/11/2019 08:39

What did people vote for? No deal? May's deal? Johnson deal? After 3.5 years there isn't even consensus on that. So how do you get an ordererly brexit when "the winners" are still fighting amongst themselves?

Mistigri · 08/11/2019 08:42

I couldn't really care less, Misti. Lib Dems are not to be trusted.

You don't want to answer the question, because the logical conclusion is that you think people on here are "untrustworthy" by dint of their political choices not their personal behaviour.

Clavinova · 08/11/2019 08:43

Dominic Raab thinks anyone fighting for women’s rights in the face of white male privilege is an obnoxious bigot, because men are hard done by.

The Guardian May 2019;

"The former Brexit secretary, a leading candidate to be the next prime minister, was challenged on BBC One’s The Andrew Marr Show about his comments from 2011, when he said":
“From the cradle to the grave, men are getting a raw deal. Feminists are now amongst the most obnoxious bigots.”

The Guardian have cut out quite a lot of text from their 2011 article to construct the quote above:

“From the cradle to the grave, men are getting a raw deal. Men work longer hours, die earlier, but retire later than women.That won’t be fixed for another seven years."

“One reason women are left ‘holding the baby’ is anti-male discrimination in rights of maternity/paternity leave"

“Meanwhile, young boys are educationally disadvantaged compared to girls, and divorced or separated fathers are systematically ignored by the courts.”

"Raab–whose wife Erika works in marketing for a major IT firm–said there was also “more subtle sexism”.

“Men caused the banking crisis.Men earn more because they are more assertive in pay negotiations,” he said.“One FT [Financial Times] commentator recently complained that: ‘High-flying women are programmed to go for high-flying men. Most men aren’t attracted to women who are more successful than they are.’"

“Can you imagine the outrage if such trite generalisations were made about women, or other minorities? Feminists are now amongst the most obnoxious bigots.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/jan/24/tory-mp-dominic-raab-feminists

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