Westminstenders: From Uxbridge to...? Part deux GE 2019 special.

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General election 12th December 2019. Results out on Friday 13th. Unlucky day for some.

So this election is unusual in that it will focus primarily on Brexit and referendums with domestic issues tagged alongside, for some parties.

ContinuityError I've not been paying close attention to this thread so far so I'm not aware of deletions except one earlier from a name I didn't recognise. The brexit arms however looks like Swiss cheese at times.

So Bozo's been to see the Queen again. Bet she's sick of the sight of him.

This Cabinet Minister said he didn't know what his aide had done, despite having been EMailed a warning about it, before choosing him for the job

Reminder about the disgraceful behaviour of this aide, smearing a victim whom his friend was accused - and convicted in a 2nd trail - of raping:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-50225606

During questioning Mr England made claims that he had had a casual sexual relationship with the complainant.

The judge in the case, Stephen John Hopkins QC, had earlier made clear that evidence of the sexual history of the victim was inadmissible.
He went on to say to Mr England:
"Why did you say that? Are you completely stupid?"
....
The judge then said:
"You have managed singlehanded, and I have no doubt it was deliberate on your part, to sabotage this trial".
...
His Honour Judge Hopkins went on to say to Mr England:
"I shall be writing personal letters to people who are politically close to you and I hope they take appropriate action".

His final comment to Mr England was:
"Get out of my court".

Very, very rare to have deletions on here...

Generally we can disagree without being dicks about it.

And just in time for the lectern being set up outside No 10 for Johnson to do his campaign launch

Queenie's had five Old Etonian PMs and they've all dropped her in it, one way or another.

I rest my case.

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Steven Swinford
@Steven_Swinford
Priti Patel will introduce Boris Johnson this evening at his campaign launch in the West Midlands

Expect to see her front and centre for Tories throughout election campaign

She's also being lined up to represent the Tories if there's a debate with all the party leaders

Bercows

The brexit arms however looks like Swiss cheese at times.

That was my point really.

Bercows I eventually figured that out lol.

I know I am in the privileged position of being a rubbernecker on the opposite carriageway, but in some respects am quite looking forward to watching this car crash mass pileup over the next few weeks.

one earlier from a name I didn't recognise

It was random Internet spam, nothing Brexit-related.

"I felt safer when they were both in power. They sounded in control."

The trouble is, you weren't safer.
They were good actors.

A UK PM can't expect to get through even 1 term without facing a crisis, often multiple ones, on which they have to decide what to do.
Getting most of a manifesto wishlist through Parliament, despite its importance to the party failthful, is imo the least of a PM's job

Both Blair & Cameron made disastrous decisions - needlessly ! - which will affect Britain and the EU for many years to come
May and BJ inherited and worsened the mess Cameron left behind.

Politicians need training in decision processes and assessing civil service advice, so they aren't so dangerous in office,
far more than they need media skills.

bercow Our deletion may be a spammer, doing the rounds on umpteen threads
Or a very rude plopper !

oops, Misti spotted it was spam.
I've reported the occasional one here too

I reported a 'click this malware link to earn 1000$'

I have been expecting something mildly crazy from Johnson (in the same way May sabotaged the 2017 election with DM headlines about the dementia tax) , but this series of gaffs and bad publicity in the run-up to the Conservative launch is something else.

I am beginning to hope Hoooo is right. They really don't want to win. Because the callous attitude and lack of awareness is sickening. We can do better than this. We (as the UK) deserve better than this.

It was a random spammer, I reported it and MN must have zapped it quickly.

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Jeremy Corbyn
@jeremycorbyn
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The Tories say the victims of Grenfell didn’t have common sense.

I’ll tell you what’s common sense:

Don’t put flammable cladding on people’s homes.

Don’t close fire stations and don't cut fire fighters.

And don’t ignore residents when they tell you their home is a death trap.

The goal is now so wide that Jeremy could take his glasses off and still put the ball in the back of the net.

There's been some actual talk about economics on the thread today, so it's nice of Ipsos-MORI to come out with some polling comparing the two potential Chancellors today:

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/uk-election-polls-sajid-javid-ahead-of-john-mcdonnell-in-poll-on-next-chancellor-a4280051.html

In news that will shock ... just one or two posters, the grumpy old Marxist John McDonnell loses to Sajid Javid by a margin of almost 2-to-1:

Voters prefer Chancellor Sajid Javid to Labour’s John McDonnell as the man to run the economy and set their taxes, an exclusive poll reveals today.

The senior Conservative is ahead of his Labour shadow in being seen as the most capable chancellor by 45 per cent to 24 per cent, the survey by Ipsos MORI for the Evening Standard found.

Only six in 10 Labour voters say they would pick their Treasury spokesman in a choice between the two. Mr Javid was backed by 86 per cent of Tory voters.

McDonnell losing 4 out of 10 Labour supporters? Now that raises a chuckle or two

Many posters are however right that the public expects more public spending from the next Government, and having learned the lesson of 2017 (when the sainted Philip Hammond overruled any such thing), the Tories are ready to oblige:

Only 31 per cent want to keep spending the same level, and just 10 per cent think more cuts would be a good idea. Mr Javid has signalled he will water down the Treasury’s fiscal rules to allow more borrowing.

So they're wheeling out Pretty Useless Patel to cover for the clown if there's a debate with all the party leaders.

If he's too chicken to be there they should just empty chair him.

If he's too chicken to be there they should just empty chair him.

The tub of lard needs to come out

Didn't they try that with Theresa May and Amber Rudd?

And it played absolutely appallingly?

BoZo speaking now, telly in kitchen so I can just hear his stupid voice and not the actual words. The thing is, so many of the current tories bring out visceral, actual hatred in me - and I'm not really like that. I could see that Cameron, and even the Maybot, had personal elements about them that made me see them as vaguely human. But this lot? Nah.

Pippa Crerar
@PippaCrerar
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Boris Johnson kicks off his No 10 statement saying "I don't want an election, nobody much wants an election in December".

(He tabled FOUR votes to try to get to one)