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Epicwaffle · 31/10/2019 09:18

Apparently the usual landlady over ordered on Bar nuts on the last thread. Just step over them if you find them here, as we haven’t had a chance to clear them up yet.

Welcome to all friendly parties!

First drinks are free! Wine

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Bearbehind · 01/11/2019 10:02

Are MNHQ aware of this?

Personally I think it’s better to let the posts stand so others can see how poor this behaviour was.

Epicwaffle · 01/11/2019 10:02

Is there a reason you all appear at the exact same time? Usually very early in the morning or overnight.

‘Genuine question’ it’s just such a strange pattern. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 01/11/2019 10:03

I dont like coming in the pub when its gone all fractious

So I’ll leave this here and see you later Gin

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 01/11/2019 10:04

(Plus epic put me right off with her rendition of the pubs food and drink choices Grin)

Epicwaffle · 01/11/2019 10:04

“Personally I think it’s better to let the posts stand so others can see how poor this behaviour was.”

I mostly agree with this, but the trouble is sometimes we are tucked into a meaty debate of some kind or another. Then before you know it, bam, 3-4 pages of bile, derailing the whole thread and causing our debates to get lost in the scrum.

It’s not a great way to exist on a ‘chat’ forum. Sad

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Hollycatberry · 01/11/2019 10:06

@Epicwaffle I'll give the Workington lads a call, might lift the mood in here!

Ah yes the Woke-ington Band. Hits include 'I give my all (to Virtue Signalling)', 'Crazy in Woke' and 'Woke me up before you go go'.

Acquired taste one might say!

Epicwaffle · 01/11/2019 10:07

“(Plus epic put me right off with her rendition of the pubs food and drink choices grin)”

Sorry about that Rufus, I am limited by my suppliers sadly! Grin

Here’s a Gin sorry you feel you need to go for now, but I totally understand. We’ll see you later I hope! The nightshift will be over soon anyway Wink

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RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 01/11/2019 10:10

Yeah you will epic

Hope you have a peaceful day Smile

dirtyrottenscoundrel · 01/11/2019 10:11

Yes you’re probably right Bearbehind - and it speaks volumes that a remainer feels more comfortable on a leavers thread.

MeganBacon · 01/11/2019 10:13

I think it is important from mumsnet’s perspective to be seen to uphold the talk guidelines and the only way they can do that is by deleting offensive posts. Other than that I agree that they tend to speak for themselves and it’s best to let the lurkers see how twattish people can be and that they should therefore disregard everything posted by someone with such obvious issues.

Bearbehind · 01/11/2019 10:13

Echo chamber

have you had a look over on wm?

This.

The WM threads are a complete echo chamber with thread royalty who can say what they like but others aren’t allowed to comment, even if they are actually saying essentially the same thing

The way ‘incomers’ like me, mummmy, cendrillon, etc are treated is nothing short of bullying

I never thought it would come to this but it is these hard core Remainers who have become more polarised, hence the goading etc when they see that Leavers have ‘failed’

What they think this achieves is beyond me

The Leavers on here are generally more pragmatic now, hence not being outraged that we didn’t leave yesterday

Epicwaffle · 01/11/2019 10:17

“'Woke me up before you go go'.”

GrinGrinGrin

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MeganBacon · 01/11/2019 10:21

I also voted remain, although didn’t feel strongly (well I felt strongly about a lot of the issues involved but they pulled me in different directions so on balance I considered myself a highly conflicted remainer) but in any case that’s all history now that we have to leave because the horse has well and truly bolted. Whatevs, I feel far more welcome here in spite of my remain vote.

Epicwaffle · 01/11/2019 10:26

Brew @meganbacon.

Well said. And you have always been very welcome in here!

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DustyDiamond · 01/11/2019 10:37

Woke-ing 9 to 5 is also a top tune!!

One of my faves in fact 😍

Epicwaffle · 01/11/2019 10:51

Off out for a bit! I Will leave the pub in the good hands of our lovely regulars! See you later! Open bar folks, enjoy! 🍻

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Epicwaffle · 01/11/2019 10:54

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bellinisurge · 01/11/2019 10:57

"No, it’s not the same as sending death threats but it still on the same spectrum of unacceptable behaviour, obviously just not at the same end of the scale"
That would be bollocks. That's like saying that all the cheery Brexit stuff you see on here is the same as the murder of Jo Cox. It's annoying if, like me, you disagree with what's said but it is so far away from psychotic murder as to be on a different planet.

Bearbehind · 01/11/2019 11:01

That would be bollocks.

It’s not bollocks at all.

I made it clear it’s at the other end of the scale to death threats, but deliberately making goady and provactive posts purely to get a reaction and ‘teach people a lesson’ is not acceptable behaviour as it is design purely to incite hatred

dirtyrottenscoundrel · 01/11/2019 11:06

Exactly Bear.
They post goady posts on here purely to wind people up.
But they think that’s ok.

GoodJobSteve · 01/11/2019 11:19

I made it clear it’s at the other end of the scale to death threats

It's not only not the same scale, it's a different measurement system altogether. To claim a 'death threat' is merely an extreme 'wind up' is actually jaw-dropping, to be honest. Maybe a little pause for reflection?

DustyDiamond · 01/11/2019 11:21

Agree with 🐻 as well.

Deliberate goading is a normal part of everyday life - I'm constantly teasing & winding people up - but it's typically done in a good natured way with no malicious intent.

Threats of violence & ultimately acts of violence do not spring from a vacuum - there is background & context to all.

As with abusive relationships, it starts with words & provocative actions & escalates over time.

Wrt discourse on a population level (eg politics) it is no different.
People are pissed off or upset, they lash out verbally - perfectly understandable.

However, when these upset people find others 'just like them' they find reassurance & are able to rationalise & justify their feelings because they are reassured that they're not alone.

Echo chambers become prevalent & people become further entrenched in their in-group & feel comfortable with the 'us & them' narrative - this leads to further comfort that they're 'in the right' or one the right side' at least.

Discourse becomes more entrenched & increasingly polarised & so the slippery slope to violent words & then ultimately violent actions is set.

There's tonnes of psych & soc research on this as it's a well known pattern & path to radicalisation - I cant think off the top of my head of any handy links at the mo but will have a root about later maybe.
Something that's pricking my mind is '7 steps to terrorism' or something like that but I can't honestly remember the specifics without looking for it.

DustyDiamond · 01/11/2019 11:22

It's not only not the same scale, it's a different measurement system altogether. To claim a 'death threat' is merely an extreme 'wind up' is actually jaw-dropping, to be honest. Maybe a little pause for reflection?

Hi DisingenuousSteve!

It's exactly on the same scale

HTH 😇

Bearbehind · 01/11/2019 11:24

steve there’s little point in arguing about this as it’s clearly dependent on everyone’s own moral standards

If you think it’s acceptable to incite hatred, in what is already a deeply divide situation, by making people ‘eat humble pie’ then that’s your call

Likewise, if you don’t see that the only difference between that and death threats is the extent to which that behaviour is taken, then I can’t change your mind

DustyDiamond · 01/11/2019 11:24

To claim a 'death threat' is merely an extreme 'wind up' is actually jaw-dropping

Actually struggling to find where any poster has said precisely this tbh 🤷🏻‍♀️

Perhaps a re-read of PP would help you?

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