GE is on! Remainers how will you vote?

[WarwickLife]

Just that really! The General Election is on, either 11th Dec or a few days before but it's going to happen now that Labour have agreed. Tactical voting websites are being prepared as we speak.

If you are a remainer, who will you vote for?

(And if any leavers lurk here, will you vote for Tories or Brexit party?)

Lib Dem.

Would normally vote Lib Dem anyway so the brexit part is just a bonus.

Lifelong Tory voter but just can't bring myself to vote for them this time. Really struggling to know what to do, if it was today I'd go Lib Dem but I'll put lots more thought into it over the next few weeks.

You know, I can understand people voting Leave in the referendum...what it would bring was unknown and under better hands perhaps there could have been success like in Greenland. But people voting for Tory - when we have had NINE YEARS of shit from them, well, the mind boggles. How heartless must you be?

The best prediction of future behaviour is past behaviour...prepare for more years of suffering if the diabolical Tories get in.

If women’s rights were truly important to you you wouldn’t even be considering voting Tory, and you certainly wouldn’t have missed Tory misogyny.

Yes, well exactly the same can be said for Labour.

So.... What to do? 🤷‍♀️

Where has the idea come from that the Tories are against self ID?

Remind me who has been in government for the last nine years...

“ So.... What to do? 🤷‍♀️”

Well, if all the parties are as bad on the issue, you either vote for the party that is not (Brexit!) or you disregard that particular issue and look at the whole picture.

How does your current MP stand? Excellent or useless? Deserves your vote or not?

A spoiled vote is a complete and utter waste of time. No-one cares why you went to all that trouble to waste your vote, no-one bothers with whatever worthy message you wrote - they probably won’t even read it. They’ll just put you down with the rest of the illiterates who couldn’t follow the simple instruction of putting an X next to the candidate they most wanted.

Far better, surely, to vote, then write to all the candidates themselves, stating your opinion. Too much trouble? Maybe you weren’t that bothered with the issue in the first place.

So.... What to do?

Vote for neither. Vote for the Brexit policy and sort out women’s rights afterwards.

And still they keep going. Maybe you weren't that bothered in the first place. Dear god.
Or maybe just maybe some of us will never vote Tory but to be betrayed by the party we thought was on our side is too bitter a pill to swallow. The party that we knocked on doors for, that party is promoting men who have allegedly abused women, that party is hounding women out of their jobs, maybe we dont want to collude in that.

Remainer; heart says vote Labour, but head says Lib Dem is the stronger option on a terribly middle class safe Conservative seat.

As long as Boris ends up in his ditch then I will be happy.

I’ll vote on behalf of my 16 year old to influence remain as my kids want a future in Europe. Going to look at the Guardian article on voting tactically. I quietly despair. If I were young, I’d be working towards a future away from the UK.

Lib Dem definitely. Traditionally Tory but can't stand Boris and Corbyn is worse.

To those who think Lib Dem's have no chance of a majority, I think they have more chance at this election than ever.

If they would be your first choice, vote for them. Don't 2nd guess regardless of the majority your current Tory/Labour MP had last time.

Where has the idea come from that the Tories are against self ID?

Well Liz Truss has said that the GRA reforms are going to be examined much more closely and that she understands the concerns that women have on this issue.

Whereas Dawn Butler is just after writing an article for fucking Vice about how silly it is to be concerned about any bloke being able to self id as a woman and therefore gain access to women's provisions, and how everyone who.objects is just a big fat meanie.

As I said, I won't be voting Tory either but if you think the Labour Party are anything but a steaming pile of misogynists you are deluded.

They are willing to throw whoever is necessary under the bus to maintain 'the image'. And I don't just mean on women's issues.

Vote for neither. Vote for the Brexit policy and sort out women’s rights afterwards.

That's exactly what I'm going to do. Which is why, unless anyone else who takes my fancy is standing in my constituency, I will very reluctantly be voting Lib Dem 😭

Probably LibDem. They are completely useless but they should hold off the SNP.

influx of immigrants and that's not stopping soon. It's affected public services, number of cars on the road, housing and hasn't helped our economy.??

mellowsedge is wrong there. In fact the migration has hugely helped our economy to the extent of some £26 billion.

Why do so few posters take even 10 minutes to do some googling based on research and evidence before posting? Relying on politically motivated press headlines or Farage’s deceitful soundbites is risky.

The actual position is that EU migrants hugely helped our economy and keep parts of public services like the NHS functioning.

I've posted this before but...

The largest proper assessment on the net contribution of migrants to the UK’s public finances was done by the Oxford Economics research team.
The study ( the Fiscal Impact of Immigration on the UK) proved migrants from Europe contributed £2,300 more to UK public finances each year on average compared to UK born adults.
• The average European migrant contributed £78,000 more than they take out in public services and benefits over their time spent in the UK.
• The average non-European migrant will make a positive net contribution of £28,000 while living here.
• This adds up to a total net positive contribution of £26.9 billion to the UK’s public finances over the residential period.

The trade deals we negotiate going forwards will need to include migration. In some sectors this is urgent already.

The Indian government has made it clear that our government must make it easier for Indians to come to Britain as part of the post-Brexit trade deal. This is good because they will contribute to the economy (but not as much as EU workers who also tend to return after their working period).

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Why do so few posters take even 10 minutes to do some googling based on research and evidence before posting?

Presumably as she is talking about her actual lived experience.

But drawing the conclusion :
" ...and hasn't helped our economy"
Is not based on individual experience. It is asserting a conclusion about the entire economy that is factually incorrect.

Perhaps her local economy is terrible? It's quite likely that weight of numbers puts strain on public services isn't it?

Because we didn't listen to people who had these concerns = Nigel Farage.

As you posted Trewser I was interested in your previous comments about Labour and private schools. Do you really think the rest of the Labour party would agree to fund the compulsory takeover of all private schools including special needs and forest school ones? If so and they all became state funded schools would there be a catchment intake for new entrants? What would happen to existing pupils in the school -would they carry on paying or become state funded too?

Do you really think the rest of the Labour party would agree to fund the compulsory takeover of all private schools including special needs and forest school ones?

They've suggested it as a policy. Not sure why forest school gets a pass!

I'm not sure any of the main parties are against self-ID. Maria Miller was all for it, and she's Tory. It may be that Liz Truss has said it will be looked at again, I am glad about that. But not nearly a good enough reason to vote Tory against other parties. Especially as so many of their moderate MPs are stepping down. It will be an even more right wing party after this election. IDS has said they are the Brexit party now.

On schools there’s no detail of Labour’s policy- I expect it’s long term aspirational. Of my and DHs five DC one is privately educated due to SN. If the state took that school over and it became free we’d be delighted!

On public services-successive
government's underfunding and austerity is responsible for the strain on public services.

Paying US prices for pharmaceuticals will be another step towards ending healthcare that is free at the point of use.

It’s nothing to do with EU citizens. If you read the reports I linked to - EU citizens contribute billions more to the economy than native borns - this takes into account public service use. Put bluntly EU migrants only made up 5.7 % of the U.K. population. They were mostly educated elsewhere and many of that 5.7% go after their years working -so there is less education and old age cost.

The strain on public services comes from underfunding for the non EU 94.3 % of the population- the greatest strain being funding the elderly native born population.