Westministenders: Sub-Prime Minister at large

[BigChocFrenzy]

Our Sub-Prime Minister BJ is threatening a govt tantrum strike until he is allowed his Haribo GE on 12 December.

If MPs vote for a GE, he has promised them "more time" to debate the WAB,
but that would only be from 29 October to 7 November

• ridiculously inadequate for such complex legislation -

before Parliament is automatically dissolved for the 25 sitting days before a GE.

The GE debate starts Monday 2:30 pm in the HoC
Corbyn says he'll agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table

BUT wIth this WA,
No deal cannot 100% be taken off the table whilst the Tories are in office:

they could still No Deal after transition ends on 31 December 2020,
if they don't request a transition by July.

We don't know when the EU will give their decision on an extension, or what it will be:

The EU may decide only after the HoC vote
- in which case MPs would be voting "blindly"

Tusk, Merkel & most other leaders want to grant the Flextension until 31 January,
but Macron & a few others want to give a short extension of only 2-4 weeks, to pressure MPs to pass the WA in November

• in which case the GE would take place shortly after Brexit, which would be a gift to BJ.

A 12 December GE would also cause serious logistical problems for local council officials:

Apart from their poll station bookings clashing with Xmas bookings for church halls & schools,

they are legally required to send out all the polling cards based on the current electoral roll,
then at the GE, check names against the new electoral roll which must be updated on 1 December

The Rebel Alliance want a long extension, so they have time to add amendments to the WAB,
e.g. a CU, the Level Playing Field agreement in May's WA, maybe even a PV
So many may want to vote against a GE before that ..... but what does Corbyn want ?

BJ as PM could still change the date of any GE after he has agreed to it, if it suits him.

What does BJ want ?
Alice Cooper said it:

"I'm your top prime cut of meat, I'm your choice
I wanna be elected
I'm your yankee doodle dandy in a gold Rolls Royce
I wanna be elected
Kids want a savior, don't need a fake

I wanna be elected
We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make
I wanna be elected, elected, elected..."

m.youtube.com/watch?v=cSvy8HpxFxo

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We will be pretty fucked with Johnson's deal.

Imagine, Johnson conspiring with an economic competitor to fuck the UK.

Incredible.

(Pathetically grateful) thank you

Rees Mogg has a company in Dublin for starters.
And this is relevant how?
Speak to a pension/financial adviser, they will help you invest sensibly.

Aren't we on the cusp of an economic depression? (Not brexit related)
China, Germany, USA...
A lot of articles I've read recently seem to point to a recession much worse than 2008.
That AND brexit?
I'm not really sure what this could mean wrt those leavers who think leaving will result in a new albion.

BigChoc I don't think you can imply Soros tried to warn them then only when they didn't listen decided to break the pound. Wishful thinking is the dealers' enemy.

You say they've been funding Brexit - for all I know this may be right, I have no clue. But they also say Soros and Blair are funding the Remain campaign - again, I have no clue. I think there's a lot of fake news around and everyone should be really sceptical.

Soros didn't try to "Break the pound"; he just took advantage of unwise govt policy to make a v large profit

I remember after he did this, reading that he kept warning publicly that the govt policy would not work
He certainly didn't donate to the Tory party to persuade them to make this policy

In contrast, Brexiters like Odey & Banks, have made fortunes from an event which they have partly funded - they made large donations to the leave campaign
and keep campaigning for No Deal

We had lots of Soros conspiracies floating around MN just before the Referendum.

It's just like old times seeing it pop up again.

megan The donations by Odey, Banks and other gamblers are a matter of public record, logged by law.
The Electoral Commision have their details
They may also have a sincere belief in rightwing populism, so it may be ideology as well as profit

There is much less money involved in the status quo
Soros has consistently funded movements to oppose hard right populism without any hope of profit,
e.g. he funded one of the largest unis in central Europe, which doesn't exactly bring windfalls.

They usually rolled into some word salad about Rothschilds funding the EU after a few paragraphs.

Is anybody else terrified that labour will vote down the election because the extension isn't granted - but because the election hasn't been given, Macron will insist on a November exit date?

meaning terrible W.A or crash out in a months time.

an election that BJ is almost guaranteed to win

And eventual crash out in December 2020.

I really think labour might have to allow this election - on Monday, before they know the details of the extension, as huge a gamble as it is. But I'm really not sure they will.

megan Noone here would normally have a problem with investment funds moving abroad if they think it safer

The objections to JRM and Redwood movinf their investments abroad and advising their clients to move their investments out of the UK
is the hypocrisy of doing so,
while telling the plebs how wonderful Brexit will be

If they are so sure Brexit will be great, or even OK, why are they - and many other wealthy Brexiters - moving their assets abroad
Many who are not tied down by being MPs are also moving themselves abroad and some are taking out additional citizenship

It's hypocrisy
and it's also worrying, what those "In the know" are doing

PMK

Thank you, bigchoc

Pretzels Forcing the WA through is exactly what Macron is aiming to do:

he wants the EU to move on and not waste any more time waiting for the Uk to decide what it wants
He doesn't much care if the Tories win a GE

With Ireland protected by the permanent frontstop, the EU is not so concerned about No Deal in 2021.
They judge the UK will be forced to cave in after several months of No Deal and that the EU can now weather that

So we have a significant danger:
MPs may have to vote for a much worse WA than the one they rejected 3 times.

The question is whether Merkel, Tusk & others can persuade him differently
He'll now do what is in his / France's interests, whatever that is

Bruno Waterfield@BrunoBrussels

France can live with Jan 31 2020
but only if there is ratification or elections
not if the Westminster deadlock continues status quo ante

Macron will not support Remain via extension tactic of Tusk and Merkel,

he can set terms now or later because he has veto & is waving it

was kinda looking for you to tell me I was being stupid and worrying unnecessarily there BCF - have you got anything in a comforting lie you could peddle?

Seriously BigChoc, there are so many holes in this. There is nothing hypocritical in advising clients (if he did - I don't know if he ever had an advisory role) to diversify their funds geographically, across sectors, etc. to avoid concentration risk and therefore stabilise returns. Any sensible financial adviser would do so. He has to have funds in Dublin because all his competitors do, as they have them in Singapore and many other locations around the world. This is just a normal part of being an asset manager and in no way hypocritical.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/25/treasury-says-has-paused-production-brexit-50p-coins-missed/amp/?

Sajid Javid has "paused" production of the new Brexit 50p coins, due to the likelihood that the UK will not leave the European Union next Thursday.

The Chancellor unveiled plans to mint 10 million Brexit 50p coins - three times more than previously planned last month.

< politicians like to reinforce a previous error. 30 million coins in January ? >

As for Soros, it is remarkable how much effort you are putting in to reflecting him in a good light. Yes he calls himself a "philanthropist". It's impossible to say the word these days without a sceptical sarcastic smirk.

Radio 4 had an interesting program on the far rights issues with Soros and some of the misinformation that was spread about him.

Rees Mogg has a company in Dublin for starters.

And this is relevant how?
Speak to a pension/financial adviser, they will help you invest sensibly.

Because it shows up his hypocrisy - why isn't he telling people to invest in Britain? If he believes that Leave is best for the country's future that should be a sensible investment.

FT Weekend has the headline, 'Fesrs over post-Brexit workers' rights.'

Which is a bit depressing.

megan
It is hypocritical of Brexiter MPS because their constituents are "clients" of JRM and Redwood,
who deserve the same quality of advice as rich investors

Redwood didn't say "diversify": he advised clients to move all investments out of the UK

They are both advising their wealthy clients to reduce investment in the UK
That's because of Brexit
Fine
That is their duty as advisors

But they shouldn't keep telling voters how great Brexit will be

No.

Stop with the Soros stuff.

We know it's code for anti-semitism.

And we filled out boots on the weird conspiracy word-salad trolls pro-Brexit visitors on MN pre-Referendum.

The mania about Soros was weird - and the conspiracy stuff was head-reeling.

I, for one, am extremely done with it.

Well I disagree, and I'm sure we'll have to keep having this conversation as long as these boards are alive. Funds are highly liquid - there is nothing wrong with parking money in location A whilst location B stabilises and it does not mean that location B is not a better 5 year bet.
I'm sure you'll be telling me next that JRM said it would take 50 years, not five years (which would be grossly misrepresenting what he actually said, but you probably don't want to believe that either).