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Westminstenders: Don't and Keep Living

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2019 13:19

Status Recall as of approx 1

Johnson’s Withdrawal Agreement (The WA) :
Currently parliamentary session blocked in its current form due to being nodded through (government accept defeat without vote). It can not be represented to the house without changes (which the EU will not allow - unless perhaps it reverts back to May's WA) or a 'substantive change of circumstances' (eg another party says they will support it and there is reason to believe Johnson now has a clear majority).

The Withdrawal Agreement Bill (The WAB):
The withdrawal agreement bill is purely about how the WA will be carried out in UK law. It passed its 2nd reading which is merely a indication of interest of support for the bill. The next stage is where amendments can be made and this is most relevant to the political declaration which accompanies the WA settlement.

This however has hit a road block due to the government recklessly and foolishly trying to push such an important and far reaching bill through in a ridiculous time frame, which no one could possibly give proper scrutiny to.

If Johnson wants a deal in the best int3of the country its an essential part of the process regardless of which side of the fence you sit. Failure to spot problems could leave us shafted by other countries later down the line.

The timetable is now under review and negotiation with Corbyn.

The extension with the EU:
The EU president has signaled he would support an extension. This is in part because issues in London mean it is highly unlikely the EU will be able to ratify a deal by next Thursday even if they have an emergency meeting. It's in their interests to extend in some way.

Going along with the Benn Act is the politically least risky option, though France are making growling noises about it.

Two issues spring up with this. The first is the issue of the UK having no EU Commissioner after 1st Nov and the second is the EU budget runs until 31st Dec 2019.

The Queens Speech:
The government as it stands might struggle to pass the QS especially with the DUP off side. It failing to pass is, in some ways, a good thing for Johnson. The speech was essentially a manifesto and blocking it is a good electioneering strategy. It also puts pressure on the opposition for a Vote of No Confidence.

There are already rumblings following the passing of the 2nd reading of the WAB and the EU signally they are open to an extension that some in Labour (including crucially Corbyn) do think they must agree to a GE in the autumn.

A Vonc is still unlikely to happen until the EU formalise the extension and the EU are unlikely to do this until its clear what Johnson's next move with the WAB is. Johnson meanwhile doesn't want to agree to a longer timetable as that ruins his do or die speech and facilitates an extension. So expect some brinkmanship over timings here. We might not get a formal extension approved until the wire.

The GE:
All Brexit is currently about is manoeuvring to win the next GE. It must be seen in this context.

Polling suggests that an extension without the WA is bad for Johnson and he is likely to lose support to the Brexit Party. There is an ever shrinking likelihood of the WA going through before 31st Oct, if its not impossible already. Thus Johnson needs to see if he can get the WA through very quickly after an extension but before a GE.

This reasonably lines up with Labour's problems. Before the WA goes through a GE looks bad for them with them haemorrhaging support to the LDs and the the Brexit Party.

If they are seen to facilitate the WA passing before an election then there may also be a sense of betrayal amongst their majority remain supporters but it might let them off with the Brexit Party threat particularly in the Midlands.

Meanwhile the SNP have an increasing desire for a GE. They look like they will clean up in Scotland and it might be their last chance now to stop Brexit. Similar logic applies to the LDs.

Thus the chances of a GE shoot up once an extension is granted, but the Cons and Labour have a mutual self interest in getting a deal done ASAP before a GE in many ways.

This of course would probably suit the French and therefore the EU.

Which is why a deal before 15th Nov and by the 15th Dec, isnt unrealistic. A GE might come before Christmas but I think both the Cons and Lab have something of an interest in letting the dust settle and getting new messaging in to head off threats from the LDs and Brexit Party. I'd be more inclined to say a Feb election tbh.

Anyway things may have changed since I started typing this up given how quickly things are moving.

But despite the headlines that Brexit is in pergortory it is now slowly rolling forward and now has some momentum behind it.

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DGRossetti · 24/10/2019 17:12

Does Johnson want to leave the eu or does he want a general election?

He wants what's best for Boris before all else.

prettybird · 24/10/2019 17:14

If I were the EUCO, I'd definitely not get back to BJ until Tuesday Wink

mrslaughan · 24/10/2019 17:14

@thecatfromjapan I completely agree - it's scary and sad and awful all the the same time.

MockersthefeMANist · 24/10/2019 17:15

Get Brexit Done. Do Or Die In A Ditch. Or Maybe Not.

I say keep the bastard dangling.

prettybird · 24/10/2019 17:15

thecatfromjapan - don't you mean What. A. Wanker. ?Wink

got to get the stats up! Grin

JeSuisPoulet · 24/10/2019 17:15

OK, so no home help is not accurate, but it isn't anywhere near enough. Recently a friend had an overnight stay in hospital and he had 2 elderly dementia patients wandering the ward all night so no one got a wink of sleep. He tells me a private security firm was hired to come and take them away. This cannot be cost effective, particularly when you consider sleep and healing is what a night in hospital is meant to be for.

DGRossetti · 24/10/2019 17:16

He doesn't want an election anyway. Not before we leave. He wants to be seen "wanting" an election so that he can try and hammer Corbyn.

MarshaBradyo · 24/10/2019 17:16

Blimey at this

tobee · 24/10/2019 17:17

Be fabulous if we could give Johnson a ginormous raspberry as his Christmas present. 👅

thecatfromjapan · 24/10/2019 17:17

😁 @prettybird

NoWordForFluffy · 24/10/2019 17:18

He doesn't want an election anyway. Not before we leave. He wants to be seen "wanting" an election so that he can try and hammer Corbyn.

Fuck it, let's have one then. Give the arrogant wanker what he does / doesn't want.

I'm coming round to now being the best time, after he's given the extension he said he'd never ask for / need. Failure BoZo going to the polls.

DGRossetti · 24/10/2019 17:19

OK, so no home help is not accurate, but it isn't anywhere near enough. Recently a friend had an overnight stay in hospital and he had 2 elderly dementia patients wandering the ward all night so no one got a wink of sleep. He tells me a private security firm was hired to come and take them away. This cannot be cost effective, particularly when you consider sleep and healing is what a night in hospital is meant to be for.

Turn the telescope around.

A private company has hoovered up a shedload of public money (trebles all round !) for the trivial outlay of two minimum-wage slaves who do their dirty work.

Seems to be working as intended if you ask me.

It's that time of the day for the anti-cynic pills, I think.

mrslaughan · 24/10/2019 17:19

At the moment the best thing the EU could do is offer a very short extension - focus everyone's minds...... might stop the opposition from giving Bozo the election he so desires.

Though that brings considerable chance of no deal...... though as disastrous as that is, I am not convinced that his deal would be much much worse in the long term....

MarshaBradyo · 24/10/2019 17:21

He thinks he’ll get the majority to get the deal he wants surely

NoWordForFluffy · 24/10/2019 17:21

He's baiting Corbyn for the optics more like.

thecatfromjapan · 24/10/2019 17:21

You know, asking for an election and pushing for a reduced timescale to get that sodding bill through is quite ... quite some face.

I'll be quite angry if that happens.

MarshaBradyo · 24/10/2019 17:22

Well he’s not getting his 31st Oct so has to divert somehow

NoWordForFluffy · 24/10/2019 17:23

But if we go for GE there's no point dealing with the bill, not really.

thecatfromjapan · 24/10/2019 17:24

I don't know that he can get the deal through once amendments start being added.

The 'fragile' alliance starts falling apart.

It's quite important to remember that this is why Johnson wants to keep pressure on and time short.

TheMShip · 24/10/2019 17:24

The EU will offer the extension that is easiest, not the one that is best (12+ months). Their aim is avoiding being at fault for no deal. They will almost certainly offer 31 Jan because it is guaranteed accepted due to the Benn act.

mrslaughan · 24/10/2019 17:25

Well this is interesting

Westminstenders: Don't and Keep Living
thecatfromjapan · 24/10/2019 17:25

He wants some reason to rush it through, with everyone feeling panicked.

I do hope our MPs have a bit more sense than that.

The customs union alone will make it all go bang.

thecatfromjapan · 24/10/2019 17:26

Yes.

It goes very pear-shaped for Johnson if he can't force his bill through.

It's all about winning a GE.

ContinuityError · 24/10/2019 17:27

If true, this could be interesting:

Darren Adam @darrenadam

BREAKING: @EvendenKenyon tells me on @LBC she has heard from reliable sources that the @BrexitParty candidate in her and Boris Johnson's constituency (Uxbridge and South Ruislip) will be Nigel Farage

DGRossetti · 24/10/2019 17:28

He thinks he’ll get the majority to get the deal he wants surely

Unless I've been asleep, the current reckoning is he wants his election such that it's after any "deal" (thus neutering the BXP threat that I think is over-egged) but before the UK crashes into the shitstorm that leaving the EU in any fashion will trigger. It's a delicate balancing act, and if nothing else, we can briefly enjoy his high wire act being buffeted by the winds of populism which don't always blow true.

As always, happy to be corrected.

(During the war, newsreaders signed off with their real names and spoke in local accents to prevent Nazi funny tricks with fake news. The update version is to sign off "happy to be corrected" as they are 4 words no Brexiteer would ever dream of using.)

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