Brexit Arms

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What has happened to the Brexit Arms? It looks like it has been under siege, covered in egg yokes and toilet paper? Has the thought police or MN been on the attack?

@walkingdeadfan

We have been in the trenches that’s for sure! Lol.

All of the above could be said to apply.

we are in a ceasefire for now, although no doubt todays political developments will set it all off again at somepoint! (Hoping not though 😬 as the atmosphere is pretty good overall at the moment! )

"Yes, I'm well aware the LibDems added £40k to my child's student debt, and yes I'm well aware that the LibDems stole £40k from my mum's pension, but I'm still going to vote for them because they told me I 'might' be £2k worse off under Brexit".

• A LibDem Voter

This is the problem with LibDems lecturing the economic case against Brexit.

In other news I settled on a Shark rather than a Brexit supporting Dyson and I always end up coming home to Remainy Sainsburys.

If Labour don't back a GE, how does this impact on the EU decision? Is a short technical extension more likely to allow sufficient ime get the WAB approved and we leave mid Nov. Would focus minds and leave no time for playing stupid games.

I agree with all Bellini

The ridiculously short timescale was pure tactics & was a win either way for BJ in the PR & optics war - it is obviously better to have a longer period, with proper considered amendments
Sadly I think the wrecking amendments will come thick & fast & that will only serve to stoke tensions even more

No deal is clearly as incendiary as no Brexit according to that study, so as you said, the WAB is the best way forward in the national interest & with a reasonable end state (ie not a no deal dick move at the end)

At the end of the day it doesn't matter that much if the transition period is extended a wee bit (for genuine reasons, not deliberate blocking) because we are able to pursue the trade deals etc & it is a stable condition to be in

We have to Brexit, but properly.

How about.

That's a very powerful quote isn't it. Very powerful.

I hope wherever you got that from it goes viral... Viral viral viral.

So so true.
I had completely forgotten about the lib dems, selling out the poor on university fees.

I've become like the slowly boiled frog. When I think about my dc future careers they are outside uni plans because no matter what Martin Lewis advocates on fees, loans.. I think its a bad debt.

This has really socked me how.
Really socked me.

Anyone who wants to vote lib dem needs to remember this.

They need following round a la... Donkeys.

But I don't see any the pressure coming from Boris at all.

I see the pressure coming from the the brexit derailers.. If all mps accepted brexit and had simply put their energy into getting a rounded good deal, we would have all the power and the ball always in our court.

The inevitably of a deadline was always going to be there's though and there's nothing like a deadline to sharpen minds.

But had all mps been trustworthy... Yes... I'd happily personally accept delays.
I don't feel relaxed and happy because I feel terrified that the stragety of delay is going to eventually lead to brexit being stopped.

Under these circumstances the luxury of carefully reading and considering legislation is robbed from us. By Remainers.

How could you like someone who wants a no deal due to the amount of money he will make from others people’s crisis?
I've tried not to respond to this because I know it's all falling on deaf ears, but seriously? Could you walk me through what thought process you went through before deciding you knew how he thought and what his motives were to go into government? I'd also be interested to know how you think he would be ahead of the game in betting against the pound compared to, say, Soros, who is a committed Remainer. Do you think that Soros has taken the high road and decided not to benefit from the fall in Sterling because he wants to Remain? The level of urban myth pedalling around this is just staggering.

In an attempt to discuss the actual repercussions here - it’s been on the news today about the thousands of tonnes of fruit the UK simply haven’t been able to pick due to a lack of EU workers to pick them.

How do Leavers feel about that?

Who’s going to do this in future?

Or what happens if these farmers decide there’s no point in growing it if it can’t be picked?

“Who’s going to do this in future?”

Well, two options, under a immigration points system. Determine fruit picking as a required skill.

Or, and, crazy suggestion I know, but perhaps if these big corporate farms (and they ‘usually’ are huge) actually advertise the jobs in the uk, in english, and pay a fair wage, that british or british resident low skilled workers can ACTUALLY live on, then maybe they might just solve the problem. If prices go up for fruit and veg, then that’s the reality of not exploiting impoverished people for cheap labour. People who are all too often trafficked under the radar by gangs or forced to live in horrible HMO’s, at much suffering to them, and all the while undercutting the local employment market.

Hulloo All. Blimey it went a bit 'haywire' here earlier - in a way I think it helped bring some opposing views towards more agreeable ground.

I quite like a glitterball myself, when the occasion requires, so could we consider putting it into the 'games room' and put it in the Main Bar when 'peace and love' is required? Only when it gets a bit hairy, although it's so rarely hairy here, a few remainy types come and put their feet up here, coz we is pretty nice and all really.

ASFAIK, the EU are still 'considering' our request for an extension, so we don't know too much more. Macron has been earnestly considering my Twitter and so he still might be "our boy".

Various this and that in HoC today, which may, or may not, result in something. At least we can file the QS as done.

JC - i really liked him pre-Brexit; A return to Clause 4 thinking, just what the Labour Party needs. An old geezer with a bit of 'history' - but he just completely irritates me right now. If he helped get Brexit over the line I might vote Labour afterwards.

JRM - I admit to liking him too. I like his very 'measured' approach and I don't think he represents the Satanic Mills at all. I dislike inverted snobbery as much as I dislike snobbery and just because he went to Eton or grew up with 'privilege' doesn't automatically make him a 'bad' person.

Probably enough from me for now - so I'll have a quiet half in the corner - ok make that a pint please LL. And a packet of Twiglets.

I have many ex student friends who previously picked fruit on farms between their uni semesters.

Oh give over epic - are you honestly saying you think farmers have chosen not to do anything other than throw their produce away?

“JRM - I admit to liking him too. I like his very 'measured' approach and I don't think he represents the Satanic Mills at all. I dislike inverted snobbery as much as I dislike snobbery and just because he went to Eton or grew up with 'privilege' doesn't automatically make him a 'bad' person.”

Haha, true, I vote to keep him, as he makes me think of Mr cholmley warner.

The take no deal off the table thing is just firstly to delay, secondly to ensure Boris's deal doesn't get through (which also is really about delay). This morning's survey means large absolute majority for Tories, probably why they moved today with this. JC's only tactic is to buy as much time as he can in the hope that BoJo messes up monumentally, which is not unthinkable. He literally has nothing else to work with.

“Oh give over epic - are you honestly saying you think farmers have chosen not to do anything other than throw their produce away?”

I live in a MAJOR arable farming area. I can assure you, we are not knee deep in rotting cabbages as yet.

But, if you see any, then do keep them to throw at me in the stocks later

JC is the one thing that will give BJ his majority.

Too many people cannot and will not vote Labour because of him.

And that just hands BJ his majority

How people cannot see that is entirely beyond me.

So Boris wants an election on Dec 12th. Now I am trying to understand Labours response. So Corbyn MPs are saying as long as no deal is off the table then we will agree to an election. But then others say an extension doesn't take no deal off the table because we could still crash out at the end of January. And when asked are you saying no deal will only be off the table if we revoke, answer no of course not.

WTF is going on with Labour they are all saying different things that effectively mean we will never agree to an election even though we want one.

Do we have to live with a zombie parliament for another 3 years?

Bear - why throw the fruit away? We can have it for jam, pies, sauces for our rabbit stews, etc. Why waste this food? Think of the costs in shipping saved to offset the price as well as the 'carbon footprint'?

It's not very 'croppy' round here, more livestock, but not only would I do it for a job but would encourage ds too. I'm seriously considering looking into the UK crop harvesting requirements and how I can fit a UK workforce with UK Living Requirements into it.

I live in a MAJOR arable farming area. I can assure you, we are not knee deep in rotting cabbages as yet.

Maybe not but you can’t deny some farms are throwing away tonnes of fruit as it can’t be picked.

Brexit was supposed to improve what we have.

How is this, as an example, a positive?

We can never be self sufficient but if we can’t even pick what we can grow, availability will decrease and price will increase.

What good about that?

why throw the fruit away?

Presumably because it needs to actually be picked in order to make jam as well.

If it’s left to rot on the trees there’s no rush to do anything with it

I thought the EU stipulated no extension again unless it's for a meaningful reason such as an election or "people's vote". By refusing an election, couldn't the EU just refuse 🤔

“What good about that?”

Fair wages for workers?

How do farmers 'throw away' fruit unless it has been picked? Has there been a massive decline in EU citizens coming to the UK? Have not heard that to be the case?
How much fruit is normally picked and thrown away?