Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil

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In a move that surprised no one paying attention, Bercow refused to let Johnson put the WA back to the house today after it had already been presented to the house on Saturday.

This move upset the government but was entirely predictable.

This means that the only way the deal can move forward is through the WA's implementation bill (the WAB). It was published for the first time tonight (all 100 pages of it) and it will be presented to the house tomorrow.

In a lightning fast timetable parliament will be asked to scruntise it. This of course is reckless in the extreme for such an important piece of legislation. The speed at which it is being forced through is the thing that looks most likely to ruffle feathers.

The government is still trying to pretend it can make the 31st October deadline and leave by then. The reality is there isn't enough time for parliament to pass the necessary legislation and the EU will need to also ratify the deal, which in a best case scenario won't happen until next week with an extraordinary EU meeting to do so. This is much more likely to occur the week after at the earliest.

The reality is the EU need an extension themselves which is why we are very likely to get at least a short technical one and remain in the EU beyond next Thursday. It's in the UK and EU's interest if we do want to get a deal done.

Everything that Johnson does though is about optics ahead of a GE. It has to play it all as if he has been prevented from leaving as he promised.

We wait to see the pieces of a deal fall into place. It is in progress now finally it seems. For better or worse.

Dh, ds (the youngest one by far there) went to an event with Robert Peston during Glasgow's "Aye Write" Book Festival (nominally about his "WTF" book).

In response to a question, he said that Revoke wasn't an option because "those that hadn't voted before and had voted in the Referendum would never vote again" and that they would be really pissed off

Well, Hell. Mend. Them.

If they couldn't be bothered voting in other elections, then why should their one off opinion which in many cases had nothing to do with Brexit, which Peston has acknowledged earlier in the evening be more valuable than those that did bother to vote?

And why should a threat of violence (which was implied in Peston's answer) from the previously politically disengaged be more important than the peaceful views of the now more than 48%?

Et Monsieur Barnier a dit:

It sure isn't rational.

This describes those persisting with Brexit to a tee.

I’d like to see the voting age dropped to 16. Why should my thoughtful and articulate 15 year old have to wait until her 18th birthday to have her say? Especially when my elderly aunt (who lives in Spain) can blithely continue to vote for Farage without employing any critical thinking whatsoever (“Nigel will sort it out” ).

It isn't rational, I agree, but Smith got that seat by the flimsiest of a majority. Her intention was clear from the outset.

As my vote means little in this true blue corner of England, there's no point in my voting tactically.
Im looking at putting my energy into helping a nearby seat oust their mp.

I liked this:

Dmitry Grozoubinski
@DmitryOpines

No-Deal is a weird version of Boy Who Cried Wolf.

The boy really is seeing wolves near the village, and is right to urge preparations.

But the villagers are rightly frustrated, spending resources on prep over and over only for no wolf to appear.

Everyone gets eaten.

Also

Mark Gatiss
@Markgatiss

Boris Johnson's Drag name: Diana Ditch.

I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but BJ is saying he will seek an election if a three month extension is granted by the EU. The BBC are reporting that Labour will go for this as it will mean that no deal is off the table.

But presumably if the Tories win the election no deal will be very much on the table for the end of January? Or have I missed something?

Not exactly time to crack open that UHT milk I have stashed in the garage.

The coverage of yesterday's parliamentary events is very frustrating. MPs asking for longer than 48 hours to examine a massive piece of legislation is not unreasonable. Ken Clarke also suggested adjourning the sitting for an hour while ministers came up with a revised timetable. To which Boris stormed out the chamber. Absolutely no attempt to reach out on his side.

@flouncyfanny I feel your pain. Mine was one of the 19 too, in a straight red blue seat, but has only ever had a red mp. I’ve been furiously emailing best for Britain and the Lib Dem’s to consider how they can help people like me!

I think it’s more likely BJ would ram his deal through if he had a majority rather than have a no deal exit. Apart from a few speculators, business doesn’t want a No Deal Brexit.

Ned Simons
@nedsimons
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Richard Burgon on Sky News, says Labour will back an election ’as soon as the EU agrees that extension’
Ned Simons
@nedsimons
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Kay Burley: 'The polls said you won’t win.'

Richard Burgon: 'The polls said we wouldn’t win last time.'

Burley: 'You didn’t.'

Lmao

Re The coalition and the need for 'compromise'

Presumably the rationale for compromise/coalition was to achieve something - I'm not aware that the lib dems achieved anything, certainly not anything that was worth austerity or the ditching of their student fee policy. The lib dems did not have to go into coalition - they chose to.

That coalition was about clegg having 'power' and the party enabled it.

However saying 'will never vote for again' has to be tempered by whether or not the miscreants are still in the party?

I don't like corbyns old school trade union style back room finagling but there is nothing a corbyn government could do that would approach the damage done in the last decade - and there is a reasonable chance things would get better - there is zero chance of that with any form of tory government/coalition, whoever could defeat the tories/BXP will get my vote.

www.taxjournal.com/articles/self's-assessment-will-the-uk-become-a-tax-haven-after-brexit
fullfact.org/online/brexit-not-concealing-offshore-accounts/

Just been reading about the anti-tax avoidance measures courtesy of links from David Allen Green:

Those who keep tweeting the false point about Brexiters being motivated by evading an upcoming tax-avoidance law please note

It is fake, as fake as anything put out by Leave

No need to make things up
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Dan Gibson
@thefishareloose
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Tax avoidance argument is like "three month rule" argument on immigration, it's complete nonsense, debunked time and time again by experts. By this stage it would be nice if the side who complain about people being lied to and misinformed actually stopped lying and got informed.

/end tweets

I didn't know that most of the ATAD stuff was already implemented in UK law and the gov't had said (yes I know I don't trust them either) it was planning to fully implement the last couple of bits. Clearly this isn't a major motivation for Brexit.

I think it’s more likely BJ would ram his deal through if he had a majority rather than have a no deal exit. Apart from a few speculators, business doesn’t want a No Deal Brexit.

My view is unchanged ie that we are heading for a GE next spring (which the Fatberg will win, because the British public is basically racist and gullible) and then Brexit at some point after that.

flouncy My MP is Fiona Bruce, no not THAT Fiona Bruce (as I always say to my family in NI). I will continue to support Labour in this constituency because they dust off the same LibDem every election, and I've been in this constituency for 20 years now.

This thread occasionally touches on Brexit's impact on relationships. Here's a helpful article from the Mash:
www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/relationships/how-to-get-through-a-date-with-someone-who-voted-the-other-way-in-the-referendum-20191023189999

Richard Burgon on Sky News, says Labour will back an election ’as soon as the EU agrees that extension’

I’ll believe it when I see it. When is the EU going to give an answer on this blummin’ extension anyway?

That's funny, born.