Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil

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In a move that surprised no one paying attention, Bercow refused to let Johnson put the WA back to the house today after it had already been presented to the house on Saturday.

This move upset the government but was entirely predictable.

This means that the only way the deal can move forward is through the WA's implementation bill (the WAB). It was published for the first time tonight (all 100 pages of it) and it will be presented to the house tomorrow.

In a lightning fast timetable parliament will be asked to scruntise it. This of course is reckless in the extreme for such an important piece of legislation. The speed at which it is being forced through is the thing that looks most likely to ruffle feathers.

The government is still trying to pretend it can make the 31st October deadline and leave by then. The reality is there isn't enough time for parliament to pass the necessary legislation and the EU will need to also ratify the deal, which in a best case scenario won't happen until next week with an extraordinary EU meeting to do so. This is much more likely to occur the week after at the earliest.

The reality is the EU need an extension themselves which is why we are very likely to get at least a short technical one and remain in the EU beyond next Thursday. It's in the UK and EU's interest if we do want to get a deal done.

Everything that Johnson does though is about optics ahead of a GE. It has to play it all as if he has been prevented from leaving as he promised.

We wait to see the pieces of a deal fall into place. It is in progress now finally it seems. For better or worse.

DG Sorry, but I think financially that things carry on as now

Failing to pass a budget means the govt can't raise or lower taxes, public spending or borrowing,
no changes to financial arrangements basically

A govt without those powers is a zombie

@Peregrina the brexit arms is a dark satanic Mill of hatred and bile. A pulsating boil of putrid pus poised at the precipice of purgatory awaiting the gates of hell to open.

They accused me of being a flasher

DGRosetti
If a budget is not passed, HMRC can't collect taxes ?
No, they can only collect the taxes which are already in law
but no new ones/ amended ones

The Conservative Party now publishes Fake News.

They've morphed into the referendum Leave campaigns.

Tobee - I think we might have the same MP (S Hammond?)

V disappointed in his vote!

Yes indeed Zig

By my maths (and chatting with friends in Parliament Square)
nearly 100 MPs are due to stand down at the next election
but will they?
Or could we get a surge of independent candidates in some seats
Martin Bell managed it after all
the none of the above but I care about all of you candidates ....

Yep, confirmed:
Barnier will be leading negotiations post-Brexit too, incl No Deal Prep (for 1 Jan 2021 ?)
"Glutton for punishment" comes to mind but he has never looked phased by anything

Irishmonk@castlvillageman

Michel Barnier will not be going away.
A good choice.
He will be ensuring the UK operate the N.I. arrangements properly.
I am glad.
The man really understands the Irish issues.

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< EU spokesperson >

Mina Andreeva@MinaAndreeva

@EUCommission reinforces #Brexit team by setting up a “Task Force for Relations with the UK” #UKTF within its Secretariat-General.

@MichelBarnier appointed as Head UKTF to be in charge of finalisation of #Art50,

“no-deal” work & future relationship negotiations.

The ruling party must presumably prepare its fake news in advance of a parliamentary vote in order to maximise its electioneering mileage.

 GE atm would NOT be a good idea for the UK

@BigChocFrenzy A GE is now the only way to stop Brexit, is it not?

Bercow Close that dirty Remainiac mac immediately and stop flashing your wherewithal în The Other Place!

There was an article on bbc news earlier that the conservatives are producing horrible looking adverts in comic sans etc to get people to share them (in horror) but that all the sharing gets the message out there subliminally

Mark Prisk is standing down which is a shock as he increased his vote

Sadly suspect be another Tory as is so blue here think people bleed it

I wonder when Boris et al (or should that be Al et al) will recognise that holding a gun to the head of Parliament has failed every.single.time.

wondering It's about timing and circumstances
A GE atm, with BJ able to change the date, Parliament automatically dissolved for 5 weeks ..... we might No Deal

First, we need an extension, before Labour should even consider allowing a GE
Then consider if now is really the time

Income tax is imposed annually - so there might be the delightful prospect of ordinary people not paying their taxes, if Johnson, if he's still in office, not being able to get his finance bill through.

Sorry, peregrina Everyone just keeps paying the same taxes as set in the last budget

Ooh, zig and tobee, we're constituency neighbours!

I'm just down the road in the next constituency.

I had a nice email from your MP - but it was pretty clear he was going to vote with the government. ☹️

Local MP sharing the 'poster' they are all lapping it up.

As an aside, thank you for the words of encouragement last night, I then went to sleep and have had a busy day today.

I have lurked in the Brexit Arms, and good luck to them. They have their views but have no way to debate them if everyone thinks they are out of their minds and dismiss them and refuse to engage.

So that is where we are heading anyway. Complete polarisation.

But then again, if people's lives stay relatively the same who would care?

Who would be immediately affected?

That's a little sad that any of the DUP MPs believe BJ just made a mistake
Of course the weasel understands what he's doing; he's just weaseled out on you too

Kate McCann@KateEMcCann

DUP’s Sammy Wilson really going for it.
He says the PM seems to think he can’t see or read the agreement w EU.

Clear the party feels it has been sold out.

Another DUP MP told me earlier they don’t believe PM did on purpose, but just didn’t understand fully.

There used to be a 4 month period which allowed taxes to be collected provisionally. Has the law changed?

The only thing that can be relied upon to happen in The Brexit Arms is a good deal of bad temper.

Oh, and Praying for Sally.

Sigh.

@Peregrina is right.

Income Tax was the first tax in British history to be levied directly on people's earnings. It was introduced in 1799 by the then Prime Minister William Pitt the Younger, as a temporary measure to cover the cost of the Napoleonic Wars.

Today, it remains a temporary tax, which expires on April 5 each year, and has to be renewed as a provision in the annual Finance Bill. The Provisional Collection of Taxes Act 1913 permits the Government to continue to collect Income Tax for up to four months after the expiry of the measure, until the Finance Bill becomes law.

www.politics.co.uk/reference/income-tax

This is the limit of the Leavers arguments

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/leave-voter-hails-boris-johnsons-brexit-deal/

I am a total fool and keep going back to the MP's page, I find it quite bemusing that they are totally convinced that the vast majority of the UK population agree with them.