Westministenders: Slow News Fake News

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Things have been slow whilst we are in proroguation, ahead of next weeks Queen's Speech and the EU summit.

We've been in full spin mode, from the likes of the far right and an unnamed source at No.10.

People seem to be waking up to the reality that its highly unlikely we will get a deal now, unless something significant. And No.10 has worked out the NI problem. FINALLY.

Anyway, if you have a little time this week and you are interested in the history of where technology change and fake news meet and how where we are now is merely things repeating themselves, Ian Hislop's Fake News: A True History, is essential viewing.
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00095hv/ian-hislops-fake-news-a-true-history

I really feel strongly this is stuff that should be being taught in schools somehow as its what protects us from extremism.

@ListeningQuietly

There are two separate issues here... If BJ doesn’t sign then a court would likely designate someone else to sign on his behalf... That would
be done quickly as clearly the necessary in order
to ensure the law was enforced. The contempt proceedings could happen later once the enforcement had occurred.

Labour could be bankrupted over anti semitism.

Cummings may be set up as a scapegoat, so he can be sacked ?

If that was always the plan, I imagine he has been paid a hefty wedge to be the fall guy so he can go off for his op.

It also once again puts Courts and our legal system back into the limelight too (and not in a positive light) which, as we have discussed, is all part of tearing down democracy.

Being sued for anti-semitism is enough to kill electoral prospects, even if Union or funds bail them out

If this looks a serious possibility, I'd expect Labour to want a quick GE, before the cases are brought.

Our Brexit options would be so different if Labour were a competent Opposition

Oakenbeach
So we get another extension
whooppee doo
It does not solve anything
just delays it

The Court cannot decide who signs - this is international law not up to them - has to be our PM.

Being sued for anti-semitism is enough to kill electoral prospects
Not in a country with the Daily Heil as the biggest selling Newspaper (which is the UK from next month)

and the EU will at some time stop giving extensions

The Heil will be shameless in castigating Labour for anti-semitism

They've already done so umpteen times
and are bound to rake this up again at the next GE

What evidence do you have that Leavers don't care any more ?

I live here.
I see everyday how bored everyone is of it. How everybody groans when the word gets mentioned.
The boredom of brexit had been mentioned on these threads many times.

Hardcore leavers would vote to bring it back once it was dead and buried (though they wouldn't necessarily vote tory to do so) ... everyone else - nope. They have other priorities, which have been neglected for the past three years. A GE would be an opportunity to put those priorities back to the forefront of politics.

Considering this is a point of discussion that would come after a P.V, after a remain win, after revoke had happened and then a GE being called, and that the idea that the tories would decide to run on a manifesto of brexit in these circumstances (probably splitting their party - plenty of tory mps will be relieved to see the back of brexit as well) exists only in your imagination - as no one is even close to creating a manifesto for after a remain winning P.V at the moment, the hypothetical situation does not really seem worth the energy of discussing.

But from where I am, the apathy and the boredom I see from most people - after three interminable years of going round in circles - does not suggest that digging brexit back up from a shallow grave, when we thought we'd finally heard the last of it, would be a vote winner.

What most people say now, whilst it's still up in the air - and what they will do if it's finally laid to rest and they don't ever have to think about it again - are very different things.

The figures in that Independent article, £1.45m profit the year before last (2017), £655k loss last year (2018), remind me when the last election was?

I thought we discussed who should sign and that there's actually nothing which says it should be the PM himself. I can't recall the exact description, but it didn't say the PM.

@ListeningQuietly

Totally agree... It doesn’t solve anything. The least worst outcome would be that a WA is agreed by 31/10.

pretzels is on to something here. If there's a revoke after a PV remain win, why would the Tory leadership have Brexit in their manifesto at all? It is as much a vote loser as a vote winner, and it's come close to destroying their party.

The EU is careful to respect the internal constitutional processes of its member states. That includes parliament and the judiciary in the UK. They also do not want to be the bad guys and push the UK out with no deal. I can't see a reason why a nobile officium (sp?) signed extension request would not be accepted.

I can't see a reason why a nobile officium (sp?) signed extension request would not be accepted.
Unelected enemies of the people ?????

Unelected enemies of the people ?????

What's that got to do with the EU? That's entirely internal UK politics and electioneering

No Word I may have missed that detail - I thought they only dealt with our democratically elected official; i.e PM.

Surely the elected part is rather important given the context...?

If there's a revoke after a PV remain win, why would the Tory leadership have Brexit in their manifesto at all?

Of course they wouldn’t, it’s an absurd idea.

Not to say the former would ever happen but the latter certainly wouldn’t. Arguably it would breach the good faith aspect of revocation.

They deal with the government. A court signed letter would be in the name of the govt, signed by the court because parliament, which is sovereign, ordered the govt to send it and the govt refused.

TheMShip
Would you want to be the appointed Judge who overrides the elected government and the referendum?
Get real
Legally correct
morally indefensible