Brexit Arms - Pop Up

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Well I’m going to have a crack at this Landlady business and I’ve opened a pop up pub.

Rules are:
Anything brexit related is up for discussion and even not Brexit related if you feel the need (so if you want to discuss Haemoroids that’s ok too ).

I’m ok with a bit of arseyness (it’s an emotive subject) but if you go full monty in here I reserve the right to withhold all alcoholic beverages.

I have reserved a quiet table for MNHQ if they want to pop in for a quiet drink (Happy Hour is 6-7pm).

Haven’t properly caught up yet with today’s Brexit news yet but looks like we are finally facing end game, that said still plenty of days left for high jinks and holidays.

Anyone have any views on how they think the next few days will play out are welcome to voice here.

First drinks are on the house 🍻 Cheers

"So you believe in the 'Male brain' then?"
I didn't make that comment about Leavers being male but you are having fun conflating my comments with other people.
Anyone would think you don't read any responses you get

I think the odious Jo Maugham best summed up how Parliament is not truly sovereign yesterday tbh.

Outraged that EU treaties could be used to "defy the will of our democratically elected parliament."

Anyone would think you don't read any responses you get

😂😂
Touché Bellini 😂

To be fair I wasn't trying to conflate your comments with hers - I should have been specific in who exactly I was replying to, soz

I don't see how repeatedly pointing out the facts about the limited extent of the EU regs we agreed to can lack logic!

Anyway the comments on this thread have been beneficial.

It is illogical for any Brexit voters to now defend workers' rights having facilitated their reduction.

BUT I can see a logic to the anti EU lobby argument that the basic workers' & consumers' rights and environmental and food safety matters have tied corporate hands from maximising profit. I have finally seen the rationale in the race to the bottom.

I personally would hugely prefer minimum protections for workers and consumers. But the ( Trumpesque) political stand point that profit is King and individual protections are less important is actually a valid standpoint to take.

It is one of the few Leave arguments that do have a logical basis. It's not the sort of society I want- but I can see a survival of the fittest logic to it. In fact I think it's the best Leave argument there is.

It is illogical for any Brexit voters to now defend workers' rights having facilitated their reduction.

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Freedom cannot be measured in monetary terms. Freedom is invaluable.

Freedom from workers' and consumers' rights cannot be measured in monetary terms. Freedom for corporations is invaluable.^
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There- fixed it for you.

Stephen Barclay on BBC Parliament is being grilled by Hilary Benn. Cat and mouse.

Morning all. Putting off the ironing and helping 8 year old with animal sudoku - still self IDing as female despite my Brexit tendencies

Per Twitterati (not a source I recognise so no idea if it's true, but interesting that it chimes with my thinking last night):

The EU are considering a maximum 5 week extension, rather than 3 months, therefore rejecting the Benn Surrender Act.

The extension would ONLY be granted for the following:

1/ To ratify the current proposal/deal.

2/ A General Election.

Opposition MPs are said to be furious.

lonely tempted to link to piles and piles of Lexit on the neo-liberal basis of the EU but since you have your fingers in your ears shouting la la la I'll not bother.

That would be best case scenario as far as I'm concerned Howabout.

Puts the onus on Parliament to finally make a decision: deal or no-deal, & put a stop the petty party-politicking.

WA voted through & immediate GE is my preference - hopefully Labour will get a pasting & Jezza will be replaced.

What specific 'freedom' do leavers think they currently lack?
What aspect of being in the EU is preventing this 'freedom'?

From ComRes (on Twitter) re latest Brexit opinion poll (v large sample) - majority for Leave, regardless of their 2016 vote:

Biggest poll (26,000 GB adults) on Brexit since the referendum reveals majority of Brits in favour of honouring Brexit result – but oppose no deal

Results will be debated tonight at 9pm on @theJeremyVine Channel 5, Live Brexit Referendum: Do We Want No Deal?

Results shows more than half (54%) of British public support the UK abiding by the referendum result and leaving the EU, regardless of the way they voted in the 2016 Referendum.

More people’s preferred outcome is now for the UK to leave the European Union (50% v 42% remain).

However, when the “don’t knows” (of those expressing an opinion) are excluded, over half say their preferred outcome is for the UK to leave the EU (54%) compared to less than half who say their preferred outcome is for the UK to remain in the EU (46%).

2nd Ref? Not supported.

Overall, British adults are more likely to oppose than support a second EU Referendum with ‘deal’, ‘no deal’ and ‘remain’ options included (45% vs 41%).

So we are definitely not leaving on 31st with No Deal then? Barclay has said BJ will comply with the Benn Act.

@howabout do you have a link to that (about the 5 week extension)?

EU and UK officials have resumed Brexit talks in the hope of reaching a deal that can be agreed by leaders at a key summit on Thursday.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is expected to update the cabinet on the progress of the negotiations, which continued into the early hours.

On Tuesday, there were unconfirmed reports that an agreement was imminent.

But government sources have now told the BBC that the chances of it happening this week are "shrinking".

Typical reporting on that poll Dusty. The full results;

Remain - 42%
Leave with deal - 30%
Leave without deal - 20%

A clear lead for Remain out of the 3 incompatible options particularly as the no deal muppets apparently consider leaving with a deal to be Remain

Remain - 42%
Leave with deal - 30%
Leave without deal - 20%

A clear lead for Remain

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

30 + 20 = 50

Not sure who taught you maths, but 50 > 42

A majority opted for leave (as with the 2016 ref), so one must then look at the majority option (leave), of which 60% deal, 40% no-deal

From listening to MP’s being interviewed this morning, the common view seems to be that if Boris gets a deal from the EU, it won’t get through Parliament.

ghost Mason Mills on twitter. He has 13.5k followers but I don't know anything about him? Saw it as a retweet.

I think all the "doubt" about it getting through Parliament and keeping ERG and DUP onside are to keep maximum pressure on the talks. The Remainers / Softest Brexit possible Parliamentarians have kind of shot themselves in the foot by refusing to support any Deal as this means there is no path without ERG and DUP.

Rumours also afoot that the UK and EU and Ireland will all pour in extra funds to N Ireland to get it done.

Dusty that's how I read the polling.

Currently having to put up with SNP conference coverage here too. Polls for Indy are actually worse for Indy support than they were the day before Indyref1 but according to the journos we are on the brink of Indyref2 and return to Tory wipe out in Scotland . I guess it gives them plenty to debate when the GE turns out slightly different.

Ta how.

Rumours also afoot that the UK and EU and Ireland will all pour in extra funds to N Ireland to get it done.

Hang on I thought according to the Brexit brigade the EU were trying to 'trap' us in a lucrative trading bloc for ever?

By pouring extra funds into NI anyone would think they wanted rid of us (and who could blame them).

It's not looking good. Certainly looks like the 31st is not brexit day.

Oh no, so we’ve got to take the bunting down again

Bunting never goes out of fashion though, 3 months, 6 months, 2 years...............

Just as well