Brexit Arms - Pop Up

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Well I’m going to have a crack at this Landlady business and I’ve opened a pop up pub.

Rules are:
Anything brexit related is up for discussion and even not Brexit related if you feel the need (so if you want to discuss Haemoroids that’s ok too ).

I’m ok with a bit of arseyness (it’s an emotive subject) but if you go full monty in here I reserve the right to withhold all alcoholic beverages.

I have reserved a quiet table for MNHQ if they want to pop in for a quiet drink (Happy Hour is 6-7pm).

Haven’t properly caught up yet with today’s Brexit news yet but looks like we are finally facing end game, that said still plenty of days left for high jinks and holidays.

Anyone have any views on how they think the next few days will play out are welcome to voice here.

First drinks are on the house 🍻 Cheers

Bear&Bellini your spat traverses nearly every Brexit thread that I have read recently - either have a 🍷 and a chill pill or take it out to the car park

Well last time we discussed it you said Border in the sea was total idiocy and not even worth considering.

It wasn’t worth considering because, despite your consistent rallying the troops, it wasn’t on offer.

And now you seem to want to talk about it.

Only to e extent that I’d like to understand if it is ‘leave’ enough for Leavers and how it could possibly get through parliament anyway

And then there was the time you were full square for No Deal.

And I still don’t see any other solution actually working. I can’t see how the WA can pass and an extension just kicks the can down the road

Reads like fluctuating to me.

No, just not being completely tunnel visioned

Apologies time - she just hounds me! 😂

accepted

Don't take it personally Bear. Some people just disagree with everything I suggest on principle.

WA with SM/CU for N Ireland only is Boris suggestion, not TM's. To avoid cutting off NI from rUK needs dual CU which appears to be the sticking point. This was EU's objection when originally suggested.

Bearbehind
Name change. It as allowed.

But don't change to Sally!!

#PrayForSally 🙏

Name change. It as allowed.

I think I’d be spotted pretty quickly! 😂

Or smallfox.

Don't change to that or you'll get the cold shoulder good & proper.

I have been out all day and just popped in for a quick 🍷. Looks like you’ve done a roaring days trade today Brexit landlady.
Good to see some of the old regulars are still frequenting your establishment. A good old boozer’s hard to beat.
Keep up the good work.

Hilarious!

I don't suppose it really matters what our personal opinions are, we don't have any bearing on what will happen next. The touch paper was lit a long time ago now. There are still a few options left.

1. Some sort of WA, that will allow the UK to move forward to the next stage. What happens after is really anyone's guess depending on who ends up in power ( or which coalition government emerges ) after the next GE.
2. No deal, like the above scenario but with a massive side order of shit.
3. Revoke, the only option that allows the UK to move on without having to mention Brexit ever again, unlike options 1 and 2 where we will be talking about this for at least 10 years.

That pretty much sums it up frumpety

That’s why everyone except the Joe public leave supporters knows that no deal is an empty threat.
I agree it is currently an empty threat, because for the past 3+ years parliament have refused to accept the result of the referendum and have stopped Government from getting a good deal or ANY deal passed.

Had MPs got behind us leaving after 2 years no matter then it could all have been different.

In the event of no deal they split their pain 27 ways, albeit not equally.
We have to take the whole lot in one hit I agree we take a hit but that does not meant all EU countries take 1/27 of the 'pain', some countries will be more affected than others. This is what the UK decided and why MPs should have got behind the vote so we could have had a chance of a better deal.

How much more proof do you need that we don’t really want to leave with no deal than the fact we failed to do so twice? Leading question. All the evidence so far suggests that remainer MPs are trying to stop NO deal, ANY deal or ANY Brexit.

And the fact that it wouldn’t have mattered if we’d promised no deal from the beginning ... because the EU could only ever offer what the red lines permitted May talked about NO deal but never backed it up with actions, the EU never believed she would so had no incentive to let us leave with a good deal. I also suspect remainer MPs were telling the EU privately they would never let May No deal.

They wouldn’t have changed their stance unless the red lines changed That is a remainer line, the EU can be 'flexible' when properly incentivised. We just never got the chance to test that did we?

But I have had enough of the same conversations for 3 years. Remainers will never understand why we want our independence back and why we want to uphold a democratic vote. It is boring and pointless.

Bring on the drinks and all kudos to Boris for trying to stand up for us. You have my vote.

Oh please, as my mother says, if you have nothing intelligent to say dont say anything at all.

The irony of this coming from one of the most deluded Quitlings!

Parliament as it currently is does not represent the people.

What, the parliament that we elected, is now like those "unelected beaurocrats that we elected earlier this year"? Quitling "logic" is getting more and more bizarre!

The level of delusion from (most of) the Quitlings on this thread beggars belief!

MN really needs a mute function 🙄

frumpety I think you point 3 is wrong.

Revoke will come with a side order of turd. Brexit will be mentioned again and again and again for the next 10 years. It will not go away just because the vote gets ignored.

We will actually stop talking about revoke and remain when we leave the EU. After that you will have to consider a rejoining campaign.

WA with SM/CU for N Ireland only is Boris suggestion, not TM's. To avoid cutting off NI from rUK needs dual CU which appears to be the sticking point. This was EU's objection when originally suggested.

Dual tariff structure for NI seems to be what is under discussion though, according to the various commentators.

Remainers will never understand why we want our independence back and why we want to uphold a democratic vote

That’s a different conversation to the one about what else was possible though.

Everything you’ve said above is either agreeing with me or just based on the tired old ‘they need us more than we need them’ which is clearly not true.

doris give over with the ‘quitlings’

It isn’t remotely amusing.

They wouldn’t have changed their stance unless the red lines changed

That is a remainer line, the EU can be 'flexible' when properly incentivised. We just never got the chance to test that did we?

How “flexible” can the EU be when the red lines rule out anything except a Canada or South Korea style basic FTA (which would be limited on services) or no deal?

Fangirl I know you need to keep saying that, but honestly I think you really are in a minority, you live in a country that is sick to the back teeth of Brexit. I appreciate that you believe that not leaving is the absolutely worst thing that could happen to the UK, but I am not sure you have the number of supporters you believe you have.

Can you give any examples of the turdishness that will happen as a result of revoke fangirl ?

Whatever happens can change as a result of a change of Governments, so you might think a Withdrawl Agreement is it , but what about the PD and the trade agreements, no Government can bind the next ?

I have difficulty understanding how people can think that we revoke and it all goes back to normal and we never speak of it again.

Revoke will come with a side order of turd

It will be one of those side orders that’s so big it could actually be a main

Bear
To change things up. If remain had won 52:48 what compromises do you think would have been made to accommodate leavers?

If after a GE it is still a hung parliament but remain parties get a tiny majority, what do you think will happen?

1. Corbyn PM, promising LibDems a 2nd referendum on remain
2. Remain wins referendum by 99% as leavers boycott because no leave option is offered.
3. SNP given a 2nd referendum to break up the UK
4. Farage finally becomes an MP & massive surge in the Brexit party
5. Conservative party become a 'good Brexit deal' party
6. Corbyn increases immigration massively
7. Hatred for the EU grows, every little thing that happens is blamed on the EU.
8. UK stagnates (at best) over the next 5-10 years as uncertainty over UKs future in the EU.
9. In ten years with a trashed country we finally get Brexit?

Where will it end?