Brexit Arms - Pop Up

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Well I’m going to have a crack at this Landlady business and I’ve opened a pop up pub.

Rules are:
Anything brexit related is up for discussion and even not Brexit related if you feel the need (so if you want to discuss Haemoroids that’s ok too ).

I’m ok with a bit of arseyness (it’s an emotive subject) but if you go full monty in here I reserve the right to withhold all alcoholic beverages.

I have reserved a quiet table for MNHQ if they want to pop in for a quiet drink (Happy Hour is 6-7pm).

Haven’t properly caught up yet with today’s Brexit news yet but looks like we are finally facing end game, that said still plenty of days left for high jinks and holidays.

Anyone have any views on how they think the next few days will play out are welcome to voice here.

First drinks are on the house 🍻 Cheers

Hate isn't the first to suggest that the solution to Brexit and the Irish border is Ireland leaving the EU too. This is a standard far-right gambit.

European Council President Donald Tusk said this morning that he had received “promising signals” from Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar on Brexit.

Tusk tweeted “The UK has still not come forward with a workable, realistic proposal. But I have received promising signals from Taoiseach Leo Varadkar that a deal is possible. Even the slightest chance must be used. A no deal Brexit will never be the choice of the EU.”

Let’s hope we can move on from this current stale mate. I’m not sure what’s going to happen when it get to parliament though, I wouldn’t even like to take a punt on it right now either way.

Well it’s starting to look like bellinis beloved sea border is going to be back on the table.

But can it get through parliament?

I get that it’s probably the only solution, but it’s still a shit idea and will lead to the break up of the union.

Sadly it would appear that ‘least shit option’ is all we can hope for with Brexit now though.

Oh how that has changed from the promised sunlit uplands.

European Council President Donald Tusk said this morning that he had received “promising signals” from Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar on Brexit.

No such role as "Irish Prime Minister". He's the Taoiseach, which means leader in Irish.

Many a slip, Bear, many a slip.

No such role as "Irish Prime Minister". He's the Taoiseach, which means leader in Irish.

Tht's never going to fly. All countries have their peculiar titles. The Spanish Pm is El Presidente del Gobierno. The UK Finance Minister is the Chancellor. The German Chancellor is the PM. Home Secrtary/Interior Minister.

The Danish PM is the Statsminister. The Dutch PM is the Minister-president. Etc.

To-mate-toe tom-ah-toe 🤷🏼‍♀️ it's confusing when they have a Taoiseach and a president. I was confused by Germany having a chancellor too as our chancellor isn't in charge. But then I'm easily confused and not very up on these things. I just google stuff to try and get my head round it.

@MockersthefeMANist - Tht's never going to fly. All countries have their peculiar titles.

Amazingly UK media manages quite well referring to the German Chancellor as such. Some media is not so good with the Taoiseach.

It's disrespectful to use an incorrect title, particularly when it is being used daily in the less xenophobic media.

This English 'tea-shop' nonsense started with Thatcher and Garret Fitzgerald. Previously, the likes of Lynch and Cosgrave were only ever known in the UK as the Irish Prime Minister.

@BercowsFlyingFlamingo - I just google stuff to try and get my head round it.

Exactly. It's about recognising that your country/language/culture is not the only one and educating yourself.

@MockersthefeMANist - This English 'tea-shop' nonsense started with Thatcher and Garret Fitzgerald. Previously, the likes of Lynch and Cosgrave were only ever known in the UK as the Irish Prime Minister.

Are you suggesting xenophobic ignorance is a good thing?

In the 60s and 70s it was simple innocent ignorance on the British part.

Official titles in whatever language may be used as a courtesy, but in any international forum it is reasonable to use the generic term everyone understands.

Some more:

New Zealand: Te Pirimia o Aotearoa
Turkey: Cumhuriyeti Başbakanı
Thailand: Nayok Ratthamontri

etc

Tea-shuck. I love finding out how to pronounce Irish words and would love to learn the language. Some one pronounced it tea-shock the other day in Parliament I noticed. It seemed deliberately ignorant. Before my forays I said tow (as is cow) seach (as in peach) I love the words Taoiseach and Tánaiste.

"it's confusing when they have a Taoiseach and a president."
Not really.

Maybe not to you but I found it confusing so went to find out why they have both. As I've said before, I knew nothing about Irish history before the last year and have enjoyed finding out about Ireland. I only wish I'd learnt it in childhood.

Mrs Thatcher was very insistent on correcting her mate Ron. It was Mrs Thatcher comma the Prime Minster comma, not 'Prime Minister Thatcher,' but her sucessor was happy to be Prime Minister Blair.

The Irish also have an Garda Síochána who are officially 'Guards' in English because police was a dirty word after the RIC, Black & Tans etc. But they are still informally "The Irish police."

The Irish constitution defines the role of the Taoiseach:

ARTICLE 13

1 1° The President shall, on the nomination of Dáil Éireann, appoint the Taoiseach, that is, the head of the Government or Prime Minister.

Germany, Israel and India have the same kind of President. A sort of non-Executive one. Much as I admire the Queen as a person, I'm coming around to thinking it's the sort of republic we should be. Not with an executive President like Trump or Macron.

I get that it’s probably the only solution, but it’s still a shit idea and will lead to the break up of the union.
Bearbehind if you think that's shit can you imagine how the Irish delegate felt after returning from Westminster in 1922 to tell the people of Ireland that they had gained its freedom but that 6 counties up north would remain part of the UK. The people were so outraged that it caused a civil war. If NI stays in the custom union it doesn't mean it's breaking up the UK union, it's just one other difference to the rest of the UK and there are quite a few already.

Mind you, I can see why the Uachtarán na hÉireann is just referred to as the President of Ireland.

In the 60s and 70s it was simple innocent ignorance on the British part.

There's very little innocent ignorance in the history of British interactions with Ireland.

Official titles in whatever language may be used as a courtesy, but in any international forum it is reasonable to use the generic term everyone understands.

If you're going to translate it, then translate it. Don't make up a meaning. It's polite to refer to the leader of a country by the title they use, in the same way as it it polite to use any other person's preferred title. Making a mistake or not knowing is acceptable. However, once it has been brought to your attention, it is just rude not to use it.

Referring to the title of the leader of another country as "This English 'tea-shop' nonsense" makes you look xenophobic, but if that's the look you're going for, fire ahead.

To add more confusion Germany has a Chancellor and a president. 8-)

If NI stays in the custom union it doesn't mean it's breaking up the UK union

It pretty much does, plus Scotland will want to follow suit.

And all for what?

But they are still informally "The Irish police."

No they're not. They are referred to informally as The Guards.

Mind you, I can see why the Uachtarán na hÉireann is just referred to as the President of Ireland.

Uachtarán translates to english as President.