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Westminstenders: Pro Rogues

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RedToothBrush · 06/10/2019 21:51

The Pro Rogues plan to prorogue again this week.

The Queen might be challenged to sack Johnson. Or he might be forced to extend.

It depends on which newspaper you read. Either way it strikes you that no one really knows what's going to happen...

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Basilpots · 08/10/2019 11:54

So far every Brexit deadline that has come and gone has landed on a birthday/anniversary of one of the Basilpots family members, those panicking about today fear not it is again a celebration in the household. On this information you can all relax we’ll be fine today.Grin

I should however draw everyone’s attention for the next Basil celebration which is mid November.Wink

UltimateFoole · 08/10/2019 11:55

Lark Shock you could be onto something there.

On Friday Geoffrey Cox said last week that he had been in a 3hr meeting with Johnson and Cummings at the end of last week. He said they were discussing a legal way to leave on 31st and they were confident they had a route to it. I discounted it at the time as same old, same old govt message. I think your idea makes sense of it though.

Hello all, by the way.

Songsofexperience · 08/10/2019 11:59

Are we possibly crashing out today? The pirates are sinking the ship, aren't they? No big surprise there- I've always thought BJ was gunning for no deal and a way to blame Ireland Germany and France specifically.

Meanwhile those wreckers knowingly delayed preparations for medicine supplies:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/06/conservative-election-impact-on-securing-medical-supplies-before-a-no-deal-brexit

Mistigri · 08/10/2019 11:59

I am going to play devil's advocate and say that the EU would be correct in offering an extension only to 30/11. This can't go on: UK has to put up (WA) or shut up (just GTFO if that's what it wants).

Fucks up my travel plans in a big way though!

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 08/10/2019 12:05

Fuck.

If we leave today there will be extreme panic and chaos. The country would erupt like Vesuvius.

RedToothBrush · 08/10/2019 12:05

Donald Tusk @eucopresident
.@BorisJohnson, what’s at stake is not winning some stupid blame game. At stake is the future of Europe and the UK as well as the security and interests of our people. You don’t want a deal, you don’t want an extension, you don’t want to revoke, quo vadis?

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Songsofexperience · 08/10/2019 12:07

On a personal level timing is shit:

  • kitchen ceiling has water inflitrations and we need an urgent bathroom (new shower and plumbing) and kitchen refurb
  • I travel once a week but my GP suspects burn out. I don't know if I can physically cope with disruptions
  • H has unfortunately grown emotionally abusive (physically even if you consider keeping me up arguing through entire nights when I need to get up at 4 physical abuse- see earlier point about burn-out)
  • DD12 had a breakdown at school and need MH support. School is very unsupportive.

Rant over. Life's a bit shit right now. I was kind of hoping the country wouldn't crash and burn just when my own household does.

mathanxiety · 08/10/2019 12:08

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49970267
"Brexit: Deal 'essentially impossible' after PM-Merkel call - No 10

Mr Johnson sent new proposals to Brussels last week, with the key focus being on replacing the so-called backstop - the policy negotiated by Theresa May and the EU to prevent a hard border returning to the island of Ireland - which has long been a sticking point.

After presenting the plans, government sources hoped the UK might be able to enter an intense 10-day period of negotiations almost immediately, with the aim of coming to a final agreement at an EU summit on 17 October.

But after the phone call, the No 10 source said it had been a "clarifying moment", adding: "Talks in Brussels are close to breaking down, despite the fact that the UK has moved a long way."

They said the UK was not willing to move away from the principle of providing a consent mechanism for Northern Ireland or the plan for leaving the customs union, and if the EU did not accept those principles, "that will be that" and the plan moving forward would be an "obstructive" strategy towards Brussels.

They also accused the EU of being "willing to torpedo the Good Friday agreement" - the peace process agreed in Northern Ireland in the 1990s by refusing to accept Mr Johnson's proposals. Hmm

The government argues allowing Stormont to approve part of the PM's plan is key to respecting the so-called "principle of consent" in the Good Friday Agreement, but Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar has warned it could actually undermine that principle by giving one party in Northern Ireland a veto over what happens to the country as a whole...

...After receiving the proposals, the EU pledged to examine them carefully.

But a number of senior figures, including Mr Varadkar, warned the proposals did not form the basis for deeper negotiations - even if they believed a deal could still be done.

French President Emanuel Macron said the EU would decide at the end of the week whether a new deal was possible.

But a leaked presentation to EU diplomats revealed they were unwilling to accept the UK's plans committing to no checks on either side of the Irish border if the Northern Ireland Assembly - Stormont - is granted a veto and there is no guarantee of checks on the UK side.

BBC Brussels correspondent Adam Fleming said EU negotiators were "so nonplussed by the proposal they asked if it was a mistake".

It is understood the UK also wants continuing access to several EU trade databases, even if Stormont withholds its consent for the new arrangements.

Mindblowing.

Icantreachthepretzels · 08/10/2019 12:10

I thought they were proroguing again today? Why has the conversation suddenly turned to imminent crash out. And is the proroguing still going ahead?

Songsofexperience · 08/10/2019 12:10

^When sorrows come, they come not single spies. But in battalions^- Hamlet

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 08/10/2019 12:12

 @Songsofexperience Thanks

Basilpots · 08/10/2019 12:14

Songs Flowers

DGRossetti · 08/10/2019 12:15

I prefer:

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

TheMShip · 08/10/2019 12:17

Oh Songs that's crap. I'm so sorry. Flowers

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/07/fantasy-national-unity-government-gift-brexiters-second-referendum

A sobering look at the GNU options. I think the writer is correct when he says it would massively backfire if a GNU held together for a PV.

The only circumstances in which such a government could emerge would be if Boris Johnson were to resign rather than comply with the Benn Act. A prime minister would be needed whose only political task would be to notify Brussels that the UK was seeking an extension and then immediately move for a dissolution. They would enter Downing Street in the knowledge that the Tories, independents and Lib Dems would bring down the government through a confidence motion if they attempted to do anything else. Such a government would certainly not last long enough to organise a second referendum.

Moreover, remainers should be careful of what they wish for. It is hard to imagine a better set of circumstances for the leave campaign in a second referendum than a poll organised by political has-beens in a government that is disabled, unable to pass a budget, overseeing a continuing crisis, and lacking any public legitimacy. Indeed, there is every chance that a poll organised under such circumstances would be boycotted by leavers altogether, and that the Tory party would campaign in the general election that followed to respect the 2016 result. Then what?

He goes on to say that a Labour led govt post GE is the best hope for eventual revoke. Doesn't say how that's possible given how reviled Corbyn is by the electorate....

Songsofexperience · 08/10/2019 12:19

Since we're quoting Shakespeare, BJ bloody mindedness over no deal reminds me of Macbeth's I am in blood. Stepped in so far that, should I wade no more,. Returning were as tedious as go o'er.

TemporaryPermanent · 08/10/2019 12:20

My God I'm furious reading that 'no 10 statement'. What utter piles of horseshit.

Songsofexperience · 08/10/2019 12:20

Thanks for the flowers guys Smile

Lisette1940 · 08/10/2019 12:21

Sorry songs

TheOliphantintheRoom · 08/10/2019 12:26

LauraK on BBC 2 saying the EU's position has hardened because of the Benn Act.

Also says EU source has told her "we have a lipstick in our pocket but we can only use it once"

Confused She seemed to think they meant a compromise.

WhatwouldScoobyDoo · 08/10/2019 12:36

Flowers songs

pretzels yes I also thought today would be proroguing. Maybe it’s not been allowed??

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 08/10/2019 12:46

Maybe the prorogation rumour was just that? We live in an age of fake news, voters who glorify and worship compulsively lying politicians, and can't read beyond the headlines.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 08/10/2019 12:47

Or maybe HMQ told him to fak orf?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 08/10/2019 12:49

Where are we getting the idea of crashing out today from? we can't!

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 08/10/2019 12:51

Evening Standsrd is reporting (a few minutes ago) Parliament will be prorogued end of business today.

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