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Westminstenders: Pro Rogues

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RedToothBrush · 06/10/2019 21:51

The Pro Rogues plan to prorogue again this week.

The Queen might be challenged to sack Johnson. Or he might be forced to extend.

It depends on which newspaper you read. Either way it strikes you that no one really knows what's going to happen...

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ContinuityError · 08/10/2019 11:02

Would be nice to see these “No 10 sources” actually appear on camera so that they can be properly attributed.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/10/2019 11:04

Living in Germany, I get the German view continually, which is not quite as that report:

. Gemany will always support a member over a soon to be non-member

. They sympathise especially with Ireland because Germany was divided for so many decades

. They won't consider any concessions that would weaken the SIngle Market

DGRossetti · 08/10/2019 11:05

Incidentally, I doubt anyone in the US is going to believe for a minute any GFA torpedoing is going to be done by the EU. Which is all that really matters.

I'm thinking someones starting to be spooked by the US suddenly making unfavourable comments about NI and any future deals. Because it wasn't supposed to be like this ...

ContinuityError · 08/10/2019 11:08

Helene Von Bismarck has linked to the Chancellory website that reports all phone calls with foreign heads of state. Nothing on there yet.

www.bundeskanzlerin.de/bkin-de/aktuelles

BigChocFrenzy · 08/10/2019 11:10

Also, Germany, like all the E27, have realised that even without NI,
any member country that goes for a hard Brexit will wreck their economy

Brexshit has caused even the AfD to abandon talk of leaving the EU, even of leaving the Euro

They now only talk of "reform", which for them is
. building a wall around the EU to keep out anyone from the Middle East / Africa
. denying climate change and repealing all laws setting C02 levels, affecting diesels, fracking, nuclear power etc

kingsassassin · 08/10/2019 11:12

the phone call is on the Beeb

Is the greased albino piglet going to try and crash out today to avoid asking for an extension?

cherin · 08/10/2019 11:13

He just might

cherin · 08/10/2019 11:16

Heck! Today it’s october the 8th! I moved to this country with a contract for a senior position, a toddler and a rental flat (but no keys) exactly 14 years ago. Landing and rushing to pick up the keys before the estate agent closes down, feeding the kid from a thermos on the way....
If he pulls out of the Eu today, I take it as a personal offence.

DGRossetti · 08/10/2019 11:20

Is the greased albino piglet going to try and crash out today to avoid asking for an extension?

Can he ?

I'd be disappointed if the extension treaty was so sloppy as to have allowed the UK a loaded pistol like that.

However I would be delighted if it was so drafted that a misguided attempt to unilaterally withdraw triggered some sort of penalty.

In either case, I would be unsurprised if team Boris had actually read it properly. It's clear they're winging too much to be deliberately ignorant. They really haven't bothered to learn the necessaries ....

BigChocFrenzy · 08/10/2019 11:23

Helene von Bismarck@HeleneBismarck

People should start considering the possibility that the EU will not necessarily do what either Johnson or Parliament want them to do .....

Andrew Duff@AndrewDuffEU

The scoop of @JGForsyth is very helpful in clarifying minds in Brussels about what the EU 27 should do at #EUCO next week.

Unanimity on wanting to conclude the Brexit circus as soon as possible.

The EU wants neither to trap the UK in the EU nor to expel it against its will.^ 1/

Leaders are being advised to avoid pleasing either Johnson (who wants no extension)^
or the Commons (which wants January).

So they will do their own thing and
offer only a SHORT - and final - extension (November) in order to put no deal legislation in place. 2/

< imo, final push from the EU to choose between May's WA and No Deal >

Such a short extension will pat the ball back into court of the UK parliament,
which (under the Benn Act) has to decide whether to accept it or not.

Learning from its two earlier extensions, EUCO knows that a LONG extension (January or more) will prolong the EU's crisis; ... 3/

relieve pressure on MPs to do a deal;
< yet more dithering & avoiding choices >
and encourage the Johnson government to diverge further from the acquis.

Nobody believes a general election will resolve the crisis,
leading either to another hung Commons with parties even more split than now, ... 4/

or to a majority nationalist government.
So unless @BorisJohnson has the wit to return towards May's customs deal in the next week,

get ready for Brexit day on 30 November

< also, shortages & chaos in the Christmas run-up
puts maximum pressure on UK govt,
both to avoid No Deal and, if it happens, to cave in & sign up to EU preconditions asap next year >

DGRossetti · 08/10/2019 11:26

The further into winter the end date goes, makes things all the more dicey ... how accurate are the weather/climate forecasts for now until January ?

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 08/10/2019 11:31

November will sort nothing at all! What's the point?!

LarkDescending · 08/10/2019 11:32

Text of the April extension agreement as reported by Reuters. I am not sure whether there was further formal drafting - anyone know?

RedToothBrush · 08/10/2019 11:33

Gosh, Johnson has just worked out the reality of NI.

Only took him 3 and a half years...

In other news snow is cold.

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BigChocFrenzy · 08/10/2019 11:33

DG The EU would not be that bothered if BJ chooses to crash out before 31 October

They want a decision one way or the other asap and this way it would not be them pushing out the UK

Yes, the EU and its members know that No Deal is the beginning of many years of negotiation,
but that would be pushed onto Barnier's successors and no longer take up so much time in EUCO

No Deal may be existential for the UK as a developed economy,
but it is nowhere near as bad for the EU,
so they may have decided it is not as bad as coping forever with this UK psycho zombie membership

UltimateFoole · 08/10/2019 11:37

Government publishes No Deal Readiness report:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/837312/DExEUReportWEB.PDF

BigChocFrenzy · 08/10/2019 11:37

Bercow November may well suit the EU

Of course, it sorts out nothing for the UK, but the EU leaders are responsible for looking after their interests, not ours.
There is a limited amount of time & patience with a country determined to self-harm
and the UK exceeded this months ago

They may also feel that the shock of several months No Deal could eventually bring a reality check
Extending longer and saying "don't waste this time" doesn't work

moominmomma1234 · 08/10/2019 11:39

My local mp , Nigel Evans , has just posted this . What emergency legislation does he mean ?
SUMMER/AUTUMN SURGERY UPDATE:

I have unfortunately had to take the decision to amend one of my Summer/Autumn Surgery dates - this is due to the possibility of Parliament sitting on Friday 1st November to pass emergency Brexit legislation.

All surgery slots of Friday 1st November have been moved to Saturday 9th November, all other dates remain unchanged as per the schedule attached.

I look forward to seeing you there!

DGRossetti · 08/10/2019 11:43

Yesterdays Dilbert (once again) speaks to us all ...

Westminstenders: Pro Rogues
BigChocFrenzy · 08/10/2019 11:44

WOW Shock
Sounds like even Tusk has run out of patience - with BJ at least

Donald Tusk@eucopresident

@BorisJohnson, what’s at stake is not winning some stupid blame game.

At stake is the future of Europe and the UK as well as the security and interests of our people.

You don’t want a deal, you don’t want an extension, you don’t want to revoke, quo vadis?

LarkDescending · 08/10/2019 11:45

Maybe BoZo thinks the loophole in the Benn Act is that he’s not required to request an extension as soon as it is clear that no deal can be agreed, but only “no later than 19 October 2019”.

So the cunning plan would be to declare the purpose of the April extension exhausted (“such an extension should last only as long as necessary”), say we are withdrawing with immediate effect, and then go through the motions of sending the Benn Act letter on 19 October knowing that it’s too late to have any effect.

DGRossetti · 08/10/2019 11:45

Nice Latin there ?

Is this Boris' cock crowing thrice ?

OliveOwl · 08/10/2019 11:48

KingsAssassin Could be using threat of early crash out to try to force a VoC and a GE soon after (with accompanying request for extension to be premised on request for time to hold GE and new govt to form).

BigChocFrenzy · 08/10/2019 11:49

Peter Fosterr@pmdfoster

Absolutely overwhelming scepticism among EU corrs that this passes the sniff test.
Clumsy attempt to frame as the villain.

I wonder if she pointed out that the only fix available, IN THE TIME AVAILABLE was full NI-only backstop?
Purely speculating there...

Tom Nuttall@tom_nuttall

The "no problem" attribution to Merkel is so implausible that it suggests taking the rest of this "readout" with a giant fistful of salt.

OliveOwl · 08/10/2019 11:52

So options to stymie that would be:

  1. Stop dithering about Govt of National Unity and go into VoNC and get on with negotiations (with request for extension to allow new govt to negotiate)
  2. More court action
  3. Go into GE with some kind of electoral pact amongst non-no dealers, either soft Brexit or PV.