Westminstenders: Pro Rogues

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The Pro Rogues plan to prorogue again this week.

The Queen might be challenged to sack Johnson. Or he might be forced to extend.

It depends on which newspaper you read. Either way it strikes you that no one really knows what's going to happen...

This is similar to my car (although I need to get a new Ecosse sticker). Also have the "Bairns Not Bombs" sticker - but it is getting a bit faded now.

Like the tweet saying 'Wondering which senior no 10 aide would send a 795 word text message?' Who indeed? #classicDom

Some interesting anecdotes, e.g. Obama, Putin

Repeated shameful refusal to admit his irresponsibility caused a national disaster

Lewis Goodall@lewisgoodall

An evening with^ @DaviddCameronon_ at the Barbican^

https://mobile.twitter.com/lewiss_goodall/status/1181281338604818433

Cameron on Obama:
“I liked him enormously.
He was hard working, honourable and we got on with each other.”
Turns out Obama tucked him in once on Air Force One: 😂 “I bet Roosevelt never did this for Churchill.”

Putin to Cameron:
“David I know what you think of me. You think I’m a devil with horns and a tail who doesn’t believe in democracy...

...And in some ways you wouldn’t be entirely wrong.”

Bruno Waterfieldd@BrunoBrussels*

As before, it will be up to HOSG/#EUCOO^ not perm reps and the conditions (now set as a precedent after April) will be even more important than length.

A head of steam building to give the Commons some sort of no deal cliff edge

Ignore that Katya Adler story - either wishful thinking or repeating a No 10 invention, very unprofessional

Brigid Laffann@BrigidLaffan*

Adler is addled!!!
No evidence -no source. BBC news: Katya Adler says EU member states to intervene to break Brexit deadlock | UK | News |
http://Express.co.uk

I’ve seen the stories about the Government’s plans to cull NI dairy cows before.

What it comes down is that farmers who cannot sell their milk will go out of business, many of them very quickly. The rural economy will take a massive, massive hit.

And a large number of livestock will have to be slaughtered in a very short time frame. If famers have no incomes, they can’t afford to feed or look after their livestock. So, yes, large-scale slaughter is a foreseeable consequence which has to be planned for.

And given that agriculture already has high rates of suicide, it’s not just livestock deaths we’ll be looking at. I am so angry. This is a fucking catastrophe on so many levels, and I just can’t believe that we’re here!

Yes.

It's obscene.

New to the thread. Only just found it. Howdy.

Hi Potter

@Icantreachthepretzels your post about the victory for democracy is beautiful and inspiring and should be posted everywhere

Just been and had a quick squizz at the Trump thread. I like to go there if I need a bit of extra cheering up thinking about the mad, bad people running the world right now.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-49963689
Pat Finucane murder 1989.
Inquiry experienced a visit from MI5, who wiped the hard drives.

Details of a visit by MI5 to Judge Cory's London offices in 2002 - corroborated by the inquiry's senior counsel - are contained in a BBC Spotlight programme.

MI5 told his staff they were removing all the inquiry's hard drives in the interests of national security.

They were erased before being returned...

...Judge Cory raised MI5's intervention with the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, Sir John Stevens, but decided against pursuing the matter to prevent a diplomatic incident.

The judge had made hard copies of everything on the drives (maybe/hopefully the inquiry had complete access and nothing was encrypted).

Legitimacy becomes a question when this sort of prank is carried out and a judge is inclined to keep quiet about it, for whatever reasons.

Also revealed, the UDR received weapons from South Africa possibly in return for stolen tech info from Short's, via the Ulster Resistance Movement.

Where is MI5 when you could really use them?

ListeningQuietly Mon 07-Oct-19 20:55:09

I have to go to Republic of Ireland in November. Its the Common travel area so it should be fine but I'm not looking forward to driving "the only English car in the village" or dealing with jobsworths coming back on the ferry

Have no fears.

It will be assumed you are Irish, possibly over to see your Mam..

Temporary

Pmk

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I really do think that aiming for - and achieving - no deal should be a criminal offence given that they know it'll create turmoil and economic problems (I'm understating deliberately), and potentially deaths.

If the Tories are going to campaign for no deal, who is BoZo going to blame for its effects? My impression of him is that he prefers to have somebody to deflect blame onto, but if he actively goes out saying that it's what he wants and is aiming for (rather than the nasty EU forced us into it), then he's telling a different story and allowing blame to attach.

My opinion is that their plan has gone properly tits up. Nobody has done what they're meant to be doing (valuing a VoNC etc) and now they're painted into the tiniest corner wondering where to go (get out of that one without moving as my mum used to say!). So we're now seeing cornered, desperate, people doing things which weren't even Plan H-N to start with, to try to steer the ship back on the course they anticipated.

BoZo will NOT want a GE in the run up to Christmas with supply issues having been a problem for a few weeks. Cup of cold sick, anyone?!

Calling, not valuing. What on earth does autocorrect think it's up to?!

Ican'treachthepretzels Yes. It was. 💐

Couple of things:

1. Price of beef coming down - on what planet ? Has no one noticed we've moved into post capitalism economics now ? Have done for a while. Any market forces are only ever reasons to raise prices. (There's also the added fun that the health/environment lobby would have a blue fit if meat became any cheaper).

Brexit is not, and never was about lower prices for the consumer, but bigger profits for the producers.

And "in other news", the Mango Mussolini appears to be having his own coup against democracy, as a Federal Court tells him he's full of shit:

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/07/trump-tax-returns-subpoena-new-york-federal-judge

Donald Trump suffered a major setback in the long struggle to conceal his tax returns on Monday, when he lost a federal court ruling in New York.

A judge ruled that the president’s claim to immunity while in office was “repugnant” and said Manhattan’s district attorney could subpoena eight years of Trump’s personal and corporate tax returns from his accountants, Mazars USA.

(contd).

I wouldn't want to eat a "prine"steak from a cull cow.