Boris’s Irish solution - is it workable?

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It seems like it could be a viable solution to me, although I’ll admit that I’m by no means an expert on the subject. What do you think?

I think Brexit has done more to bring talks of a United Ireland closer then anything else. I can't see it happening in the short term but it has definitely brought the discussion to the forefront. Most people in NI and the ROI were happy with the status quo pre vote but now with Brexit I'm not sure what the coming years will bring.

the Irish need to accept something needs to change.
Why? The U.K. voted to leave so they need to sort this out.

Why do the Irish need to accept anything. Not their circus etc etc.

Why do the Irish need to accept anything. Not their circus etc etc

GFA makes reference to EU policies.

One such policy is Article 50 which allows a member to leave without a deal.

Article 50 signed in 2009 by all EU members, including Ireland.

Hence Ireland are drawn in. Same way as; England, Wales and Scotland were drawn into the GFA without a say.

I've grown up in a unionist family in NI and would vote for a united Ireland in a border poll with pleasure after this debacle.

Same here, but I do see some practical issues. No one would deny that the uk government and the NHS together are a major employer in NI. What opportunities could possibly be found to replace them to maintain employment?

In a similar way, how do you recompense for example people who have paid tax/NI all their working lives only to have the NHS withdrawn?

The DUP are supporting it.

Hence Ireland are drawn in. Same way as; England, Wales and Scotland were drawn into the GFA without a say.

Nope. Ireland have a responsibility to the GFA. The UK have a responsibility to the GFA. Therefore, the UK should ensure they brexit in a manner compatible with the GFA.

At the moment, of the two signatories to the GFA, only one party gives a shit about about it, and it's not the UK.

So is his proposal pretty much for a border in the sea?

I’m lost now.

NI are out of CU and SM but still have the same terms as ROI therefore need no border?

NI Assembly can veto it whenever they like?

How does an6 of that work?

Oh hang on, another source there will be checks, just not at the border.

NI will be out of the CU but not SM.

And that’s not what the DUP think - they think they’d be out of both.

WTAF is going on

Therefore, the UK should ensure they brexit in a manner compatible with the GFA

Johnson’s suggestion seems to achieve that. Checks performed away from the invisible border.

Surely if they do checks away from the border then whatever it is they're trying to prevent coming in will already be in and therefore doing the whatever damage it can do.
Thia makes no sense to me.

Or if before the border then does that mean stinky cheese (for the sake of argument) won't be allowed within two miles of the border?!

Johnson’s border solution works. No hard borders between UK and Ireland. Checks are done elsewhere. In many cases checks will be at the point of origin before they enter Ireland. Easy peasy.

The border nonsense is all about blackmail and hoping UK would forget the result of the referendum.

Sounds like he's proposing a no-man's land. How very nostalgic.

So treating Ireland as out if the EU? As stuff gets checked before it enters?

So what happens with Derry/Londonderry? (and other towns and cities that are close to/on the border)

Does anything produced there have to go back to the "border" posts before it can be sent into Ireland?

Of course it's not workable, he never meant it to be.

Is he aware devolved govt has not been in session for 2byears or so? So that's shite

If NI remains (to coin a phrase) in the Single Market, the UK will be liable for a continuing payment.

Or are we having our cake and eating it?

Checks performed away from the invisible border.

The border is where the checks are performed. To be a frictionless border there need to be the same number of customs checks as you would have sending good from say Liverpool to Manchester i.e. non.

Having to go through any checks makes it a border, which there can't be. Anyone, not naming names here, who thinks it's fine obviously never had to have their car searched at a border to get back from the shops. Or school, work, hospitals. I guarantee that if 'gentle' checks were put in, just for goods trucks etc, the UK will then decide to start on cars and people. As I said above, what BJ proposed means you couldn't leave Donegal(in the Republic) to get anywhere else in the Republic without getting checked. It sucks, I remember it.

It's a moot point though as the proposal is utter bollocks.

"Juncker says PM's plan has 'some problematic points' but does not say no, and talks go on"...

www.theguardian.com/world/jean-claude-juncker

Replying to the OP's question: "no!" Next?

Johnson’s suggestion seems to achieve that. Checks performed away from the invisible border.

If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, chances are, it's a duck.