Westminstenders: The Tory Party Spectacular

[RedToothBrush]

A row over parliamentary language and conduct and how MPs are afraid of extremists has over shadowed talk of Brexit.

Cummings has said if you don't want to leave without a deal, vote for a deal.

Yet there isn't a Johnson approved one in front of the Commons and the EU are utterly despairing of Johnson's blank non papers and his full on Trump bullshit.

Then there's the threats to the rule of law.

Apparently there are five known suggestions to bypass the Benn Act and refuse to ask for an extension.
See Twitter Thread Here

This weekend sees the start of the Tory Party Conference. With a parliamentary vote to block a recess, its rather scuppered plans for the rest of the conference. Johnson's planned speech at the conference clashes with PMQ so he may well not attend the Commons.

Expect the conference to be.... Er... Inflammatory...

If they're restful chickens and/or lay eggs (for supplies ) then they're allowed!

Chickens are brilliant. Please show us your chickens. I have chicken envy.

Ok! They are pretty chilled chickens. I plan to use their eggs to barter for goods and services should the need arise!

@Mistigri
I would have held a similar view until quite recently but am increasingly convinced by arguments by @RedToothBrush & others that compromise must be accepted by remainers. If (& I think it is) democracy is at stake then ignoring a 'democratic vote', whatever our criticisms are of that vote, is not a good idea.

More importantly, in my view, a WA (preferably an immediate Norway plus) should peel off those leavers for whom it's all about political sovereignty, ie the moderates & those with Brexit fatigue. Then replay ad nauseam Farage et al pre 2016 saying no one means to leave the single market etc & call them out.

If May had had the courage to do this in 2016 & honour the tight result how different things might have been.

My mother ( also ardent remainer)disagrees with me & says it's now a choice between revoke & no deal....

Love the chickens!

I have Lewes connections - my guess is that at least a couple of societies will have a take on Johnson suspending parliament perhaps with actual representation of Westminster in the tableau itself but that's only a guess and it's actually a bit old hat. They may go Trump again.

I just hope there's not loads of national fuss complaining like about the effigy of Alex Salmond. In this current climate of focus on language not inciting violence etc there's a real risk Lewes could be taken the wrong way. It's absolutely not an incitement to harm the person depicted in the tableau . It's sardonic political comment.

Previous parades I've seen have included Angela Merkel , Osama Bin Laden, G W Bush, Trump, May, Blair, Harvey Weinstein and Kim Jong-un.

Johnson has been depicted before numerous times- eg eating a slice of EU cake was done by Edenbridge. Lewes also did him trying to topple Theresa May for PM with an axe. They've also already done Theresa May driving a red Brexit bus off a cliff with JRM sitting behind her.

Morning all. Just thinking about deals if we crash out and wondering who would be in charge of negotiating those deals? Even if we leave on the WA terms, am I right in thinking that this just gives us a transition period and we still need to get the deals anyway, we just have breathing space and are protected from the shit hitting the fan?

Ooh, I’m thinking a trip to Lewes on November 5th might be in order this year.

Nowordforfluffy, I reckon it would take Doris around 3 hours to get from conference to HoP.

GMEX to Piccadilly Station by car - 10 mins.
Trains to Euston every 20 mins, so average wait - 10 mins.
Train - approx 2 hours 10 mins.
Euston to HoP (not my area, guessing here) 20 mins?

So including getting in and out of cars, etc, 3 hours.

As Red said earlier though, all bets are off if he has access to a helicopter.

Continuity sadly I think that proper forums such as the people's march on October 19 th are a better venue- rather than an traditional entertainment event where there has already been trouble iyswim. I'm going to avoid it this year.

I was listening to R4 earlier and someone on there (from Institute for Government I think) said a VoNC would have to be tabled at least the night before. She also said that if they didn’t word it exactly as stipulated in the FTPA, then it wouldn’t kick off the 14 days. Also that they could word it to say something along the lines of “we don’t have confidence in the current government, but we do have confidence in a government led by X”
I have seen this mentioned over the summer as a workaround to running the risk of a GE kicking in. Would also give the Queen the backup of HoC to sack Johnson without repercussions.
I’m still for Remain. The referendum was respected by MPs voting to give the PM power to send A50 notice, May sending notification of intention to leave and May’s government negotiating a WA+PD. We live in a Parliamentary democracy, and MPs on all sides have rejected that WA - any of the 4 immediate paths would be democratic, if agreed by a majority in Parliament. That includes revoke or confirmatory referendum, as well as agree a deal or agree to leave with no deal.
We are in the endgame, or close to it.

You'd still have to wait for a helicopter to be mobilised and get to / from a suitable landing space though. That would add some time to it.

That's interesting re the VoNC notice period though. Albeit a shame!

Phillip Hammons writing in the times!!!

This needs to become headlines news. This is the message that needs to get out.

If you are interested in the grim truth of the collapse of the USSR and the rise of kleptocapitslism I would strongly recommend Misha Genny’s McMafia

With the increasing talk of a VONC next week, I really hope that the opposition parties have an agreed strategy for a government (of national unity) in which parliament would have confidence ready to be put in place immediately.

But I now have more confidence that they wouldn't go for it if they weren't meticulously prepared: BJ's goading last week has had the opposite effect (), made the trap even more to obvious and will have girded the lions of the rebels (as it did with the moving from intending to abstain on the vote for the recess to actively voting against it), as well as helping the more sensible heads around Corbyn make him bide his time and made it crystal clear that BJ as PM was more dangerous than Corbyn as temporary PM.

Rachel's comments about her brother's "in hockedness" to No Dealers who would lose millions if he fails to deliver certainly put a different slant on to BJ's comment about "dying in a ditch"

Plus Odeys own comments on the Channel 4 documentary about The proroguing of Parliament.

Why has somebody who is not a member of the Government seemingly allowed to have so much influence over the PM ?

Plus plus the fact that the Conservative party have just had their most successful month of raising funds a bulk of which has come from hedge funds.

Rachel Johnson's comment about her brother being "in hock" to stock market traders, short-sellers and hedge funds who have bet on the currency tanking, rising inflation etc. in the event of a No Deal shows exactly why he's prepared to die in a ditch to get us out of the EU pronto.

It dovetails exactly with those with the most to fear from ATAD/AMLD. This pattern has been visible for years, even before the Referendum and was in fact the main reason for them pushing for it in the first place. Disaster capitalism with a long-established and well-prepared offshore element which they desperately need to protect.

I haven't posted in ages and I haven't caught up fully with all the threads because they have been moving far too bloody quickly so I don't know if this was mentioned (but it happened like a week ago).

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49762371

Eastwood is decent bloke and Foyle was up until recently always an Sdlp seat. Same for South Down. I reckon the sdlp can win easily there, and they have a decent chance in Mid Ulster, West Tyrone and Newry & Armagh. These 3 depending on a big 'swing' from Sf (although realistically, any sf seat could go, the worry here is that splitting the vote gets the DUP in). Belfast South could go to them too, it tends to change a lot (currently dup). In the other (leave voting ) seats, our best hope is probably Alliance or Uup.

Did I forget to post this too? Twas ages ago..
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49742567

My initial thoughts here were that this was pretty brave but I've since had the thought that this might have been instigated by the DUP, in an attempt to soften their loyal voters into realising that, actually, brexit (without a NI only backstop) would be completely shit for NI. AND their precious union.

PMK thanks

Acting in the best interest of disaster capitalist investors, rather than the country, while in the position of PM really should be a criminal offence. I'm utterly disgusted by this (though who gives a shit how I feel?).

Rachel's comments about her brother's "in hockedness" to No Dealers who would lose millions if he fails to deliver certainly put a different slant on to BJ's comment about "dying in a ditch"

It's almost like he's afraid of the mob.

Maybe he is?

(I mean "mob" in the sense of some sort of mafia, not the public).