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Westministenders: Boris Johnson Broke The Law

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 11:05

ITS OFFICIAL
The Highest Court in the Land has ruled that Boris Johnson has broken the law.

Parliament is Sovereign.

Despite the calls for his resignation it is highly unlikely he will under the current political climate.

It must be stressed that the judgement was UNAMINOUS and went further than most expected, and took the hardest possible line again the government

The power now lies with the Speakers of the Lords and Commons to decide when Parliament reopens.

It also means that all the bills which were ended by proroguation are now back in play.

Expect a full backlash from the hard right attacking the courts are going full on 'enemies of the people'. This will be NASTY

The strength of this ruling does pretty much rule out another proroguation as the courts are liable to throw it out immediately if they try it on again.

Johnson is in New York. He needs to get on a plane very quickly.

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DGRossetti · 24/09/2019 13:21

Boris Johnson will simply go to the palace with a request with slightly different wording. Yes of course, Miller or similar may take him back to court, and we continue this way until the 1st of November.

A real lawyer suggested that wasn't going to happen, given this ruling.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2019 13:21

Genevieva I understand their motivations
I'm just saying it is a very unstable situation for a majority in Parliament to block a GE for more than a short period, just because they fear losing

Much better - if they don't plan to allow a GE - is to use the extension to form a GNU and actually agree what to do
Parliament can now resume - so it must use the time

Delaying making any decisions cannot continue indefinitely

They are leaving a dangerous political vacuum for populists outside Parliament - for now - to fill

Bearbehind · 24/09/2019 13:22

This is such a dumb take unless you can explain to me in what way the consequences of the Govt winning the case would have been better.

As I said upthread, it’s not about this ruling per se, Leavers just see it as something else that is thwarting ‘the will of the people’

It isn’t going end well

Thegrasscouldbegreener · 24/09/2019 13:22

I may also add that this will only add to Boris' already significant support, and may well propel him towards a landslide.

Boris v establishment this is going to go down a treat.

The verdict today, looking purely at the election, is probably the best thing that could have happened to Mr Johnson on reflection.

TheElementsSong · 24/09/2019 13:22

Nice one Louise Wine - I take it you won't be amongst The People who will be rising up at grass' behest to cause Serious Consequences? Grin

Genevieva · 24/09/2019 13:23

@DGRossetti it is not a bad thing. It is the way our government works. Otherwise we would have a judicial autocracy, whereby our country is run by those barristers who manage to become QCs and then judges. They are not elected and therefore not properly accountable. The executive is a group made up of members of the legislature who, usually, have the confidence of the majority in the House of Commons. Usually, if that confidence is lost, a general election would be called, resulting in a new legislature.

DarlingNikita · 24/09/2019 13:23

if Cummings is anywhere near as intelligent / cunning as many people credit him to be, Cummings would surely have an 'insurance policy' (aka major dirt) against Johnson's famous opportunism?

It's a big if.

BUT if he is, I'd rather enjoy seeing him slinging mud at Johnson.

grass, Our Judiciary is now compromised, not impartial and not fit for purpose.
Why do you say this?

pointythings · 24/09/2019 13:23

👏 to you, Louise.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 24/09/2019 13:23

Well said Louise.

Genevieva · 24/09/2019 13:23

For all we have heard about Cummings, I don't think he is that intelligent and cunning. He appears to have been a one trick pony on this matter.

DGRossetti · 24/09/2019 13:24

Agreeing vigorously with @LouiseCollins28 Grin - nothing to argue with whatsoever ...

placemats · 24/09/2019 13:24

Just in case you think that's too white there's this.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2019 13:24

Do have to laugh though at BJ's unlawful actions possibly sabotaging his own conference Grin

How much does it cost to hold - they won't get any refunds
Neither will those who paid to attend, so they would be miffed if half the time there are no ministers or MPs there

RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 13:24

Chris Mason @ChrisMasonBBC
Former Conservative MP David Gauke tells #PoliticsLive “there’s a need for an apology to Parliament” from the Prime Minister after this morning’s Supreme Court ruling on prorogation and that Dominic Cummings’s position as special adviser to Boris Johnson is “untenable”.

Sam Coates Sky @SamCoatesSky
Couldn’t be more surreal. Boris Johnson is about to arrive at an upscale totally empty shopping centre to talk about AI. He is with Liz Truss, who refuses to answer shouted questions about the Supreme Court (she just smiled).

NEW: Boris Johnson tells UK media

“I don’t think the justices remotely excluded the possibility of having a queens speech but what we will certainly do is ensure parliament has plenty of time to debate Brexit”

More Johnson

“Parliament has been debating Brexit for three years solidly now is the chance for us to get a deal, come out of the Eu on Oct 31 and that is what we are going to do”

💥 Johnson challenges court:

“I strongly disagree with this decision of the Supreme Court. I have the upmost respect for our judiciary, I don’t think this was the right decision I think that the prorogation has been used for centuries without this kind of challenge”

💥 Johnson more - Parliament will come back

“I don’t think that it’s right but we will go ahead and of course parliament will come back.”

💥 Johnson implicit attack

“It is perfectly usual to have a queens speech that is what we want to do but more importantly let’s be in no doubt there are a lot of people who want to frustrate brexit. There are a lot of people who want to stop this country coming out of the Eu”

💥 Johnson continues attack

“We have a parliament that is unable to be prorogued, doesn’t want to have an election and I think it is time we took things forward”

NEW

“As the law stands we leave on October 31 and I am very hopeful that we will get a deal and I think what the people of the country want is to see parliamentarians coming together working in the national interest to get this thing done and that is what we are going to do.”

Told the court found the prorogation unlawful and democratic, the PM said: “I’m not certain that the justices did say that. I think that they certainly thought that the prorogation we chose was not something they could approve of.

“It’s an unusual judgment to come to.”

No its not unusual. The rule of law is consistent. What is unusual is for a PM to ignore their constitutional responsibilities and to go beyond the limits power and abuse the privilege and trust of their position.

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Genevieva · 24/09/2019 13:26

@BigChocFrenzy I agree. I don't think there is enough unity among any group of MPs to have a GNU.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 24/09/2019 13:26

For all we have heard about Cummings, I don't think he is that intelligent and cunning.

Dunning-Kruger effect

rosie39forever · 24/09/2019 13:27

the people will rise up against this

What do we want..... we're not sure
When do we want it....... we can't really be arsed
🙄

Dusty01 · 24/09/2019 13:27

Boris in NY saying he's just going to push forward to Brexit on 31st October anyway.

He doesn't agree with the Supreme court!

He said they'll work towards a deal and if they can't get one we'll just leave on 31st.

Does that mean we are leaving/no deal on 31st then?

BigChocFrenzy · 24/09/2019 13:28

I loved Red's reminder of the "Boris the Spider" song by the Who
Perfect Grin

brings back happy memories of when it first came out in the 1960s .....
Harold Wilson was PM, the country was so optimistic. And sane

placemats · 24/09/2019 13:28

Damn no PMQs tomorrow.

I was hoping the lectern would stand in for BJ.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 24/09/2019 13:28

Does that mean we are leaving/no deal on 31st then?

Only if he wants to go for a twofer on law breaking

Thegrasscouldbegreener · 24/09/2019 13:30

A real lawyer suggested that wasn't going to happen, given this ruling

Do you honestly feel the verdict has any creditability at all?
This is another remain effort, nothing more or less to stall brexit.

Mr Johnson will accept the ruling naturally, then he may re word his request and go back to the Queen. There is no law or convention that can stop him. If the SC did not like the 'presentation' of his case, he can change it, and try again. The advice will be blamed

In the meantime the other parties can sit all day and night in the commons, but I wouldn't bank on anyone else being there.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 24/09/2019 13:30

I was hoping the lectern would stand in for BJ.

The tub of lard could do a cameo Grin

DGRossetti · 24/09/2019 13:31

I think that the prorogation has been used for centuries without this kind of challenge

Ah, the status quo argument. Which would have kept slavery, limited suffrage and goodness knows what other manners of evils in the name of "that's how we've always done things".

Hard to think of a better exemplar of where Brexiteer non-think resides.

Thegrasscouldbegreener · 24/09/2019 13:31

Does that mean we are leaving/no deal on 31st then?

Yes that is still currently the case.